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Sad to see BA dropping the CMF weekend ski flights - Have the also dropped the SZG as well >?
A shame, but IMHO I think BA have been lazy and have had not stomach for bothering to market their leisure flights (for both winter and summer)
They have not tied up with Inghams, Citalia or Crystal Holidays - all of whom do Ski and/or Lakes and Mountains Holidays, and once at SOU, they had a huge presence at SOU using Flybe.
Weekends is when folk go skiing - so I cannot fathom why they (BA) cannot sell it, and keep the LCY aircraft busy.
I suppose this maybe the end for BA at SOU and do I assume TUI may go to a 3rd carrier for their twice weekly Palma charters in the summer?
But we have been here before with TUI Holidays, and they may simply dump SOU as they have done previously for a few seasons, then decide to come back (which with BACF from 2021 they did rather well)
TUI would be rather limited in aircraft and airlines for a seasonal charter series - maybe Volotea again ? or just buy in seats on Easyjet....
But TUI holidaymakers are not too happy with this buying seats in on LCC's and then selling/creating a package.
When it all goes Pete Tong and their flights get cancelled by EZY or RYR the pax then have no, or very little recourse to get away on their holiday with the Tour Operators assistance.
Whereas if it was a TUI Holidays charter flight then the pax get looked after by TUI and they do not have to go scraping around trying to get out on their holiday, or try to get home.
A shame, but IMHO I think BA have been lazy and have had not stomach for bothering to market their leisure flights (for both winter and summer)
They have not tied up with Inghams, Citalia or Crystal Holidays - all of whom do Ski and/or Lakes and Mountains Holidays, and once at SOU, they had a huge presence at SOU using Flybe.
Weekends is when folk go skiing - so I cannot fathom why they (BA) cannot sell it, and keep the LCY aircraft busy.
I suppose this maybe the end for BA at SOU and do I assume TUI may go to a 3rd carrier for their twice weekly Palma charters in the summer?
But we have been here before with TUI Holidays, and they may simply dump SOU as they have done previously for a few seasons, then decide to come back (which with BACF from 2021 they did rather well)
TUI would be rather limited in aircraft and airlines for a seasonal charter series - maybe Volotea again ? or just buy in seats on Easyjet....
But TUI holidaymakers are not too happy with this buying seats in on LCC's and then selling/creating a package.
When it all goes Pete Tong and their flights get cancelled by EZY or RYR the pax then have no, or very little recourse to get away on their holiday with the Tour Operators assistance.
Whereas if it was a TUI Holidays charter flight then the pax get looked after by TUI and they do not have to go scraping around trying to get out on their holiday, or try to get home.
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Does this indicate that AF are removing their code share on the SOU/EMA to CDG Eastern service?
I would imagine its Travel Weekly not doing their research. Hopefully.
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A shame, but IMHO I think BA have been lazy and have had not stomach for bothering to market their leisure flights (for both winter and summer)
They have not tied up with Inghams, Citalia or Crystal Holidays - all of whom do Ski and/or Lakes and Mountains Holidays, and once at SOU, they had a huge presence at SOU using Flybe.
Weekends is when folk go skiing - so I cannot fathom why they (BA) cannot sell it, and keep the LCY aircraft busy.
They have not tied up with Inghams, Citalia or Crystal Holidays - all of whom do Ski and/or Lakes and Mountains Holidays, and once at SOU, they had a huge presence at SOU using Flybe.
Weekends is when folk go skiing - so I cannot fathom why they (BA) cannot sell it, and keep the LCY aircraft busy.
The aircraft can no doubt be filled with zero marketing spend at LGW/STN, and no need to sell blocks of seats to tour operators at bargain rates. If you search for a flight from LHR on ba.com, it always also shows LGW,LCY,STN options as well. So even if people don't know the route exists, they will be shown the option. Whereas SOU will only ever be shown if it is specifically searched for.
I think using flybe as an example of something that worked is always flawed, they were chronic money losers, and failed for a reason.
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Jet 2 and Easy could and would have based aircraft at SOU given less restrictions in hours opening and performance issues with R20. The net result of this is that airport has lost out to nearby airports.
The management at SOU seem very lame and unproductive, it seems that inevitably that the airport with not prosper long term without restrictions being removed ,the prospects of that happening are very remote.
The airport certainly can't afford to lose anymore routes.
No airport can just extend its opening hours without consultation. Likewise The Marhill Copse situation would need approval from authorities and support of the local community.
I do wish some of you people could give the negativity a bit of a rest. Nothing worse than old armchair masters of all.
I think that some of you can only 'get off' when something goes wrong or you can be gleefully negative about anything. You must be great fun to live with!
I do wish some of you people could give the negativity a bit of a rest. Nothing worse than old armchair masters of all.
I think that some of you can only 'get off' when something goes wrong or you can be gleefully negative about anything. You must be great fun to live with!
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But TUI holidaymakers are not too happy with this buying seats in on LCC's and then selling/creating a package.
When it all goes Pete Tong and their flights get cancelled by EZY or RYR the pax then have no, or very little recourse to get away on their holiday with the Tour Operators assistance.
Whereas if it was a TUI Holidays charter flight then the pax get looked after by TUI and they do not have to go scraping around trying to get out on their holiday, or try to get home.
When it all goes Pete Tong and their flights get cancelled by EZY or RYR the pax then have no, or very little recourse to get away on their holiday with the Tour Operators assistance.
Whereas if it was a TUI Holidays charter flight then the pax get looked after by TUI and they do not have to go scraping around trying to get out on their holiday, or try to get home.
Jet 2 and Easy could and would have based aircraft at SOU given less restrictions in hours opening and performance issues with R20. The net result of this is that airport has lost out to nearby airports.
It's way to early to say if the runway extenasion has been successful or not. I thought the operating hours were agreed as part of the planning agreement for the extension, so can't see any changes anytime soon. Presumably SOU accepted them as the price of getting business done, and had discussions with prospective operators before agreeing them.
The report of the Planning Inspector into the Marhill Copse application was 'interesting' - my reading of it was that SOU needed to get their act together and submit a reasonable request to get approval
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Doesn't the seller of the package have the same responsibility to get you to your destination, irrespective of the airline being used?
I'm assuming the comments about Jet2 and easy are guesswork, RW20?
It's way to early to say if the runway extenasion has been successful or not. I thought the operating hours were agreed as part of the planning agreement for the extension, so can't see any changes anytime soon. Presumably SOU accepted them as the price of getting business done, and had discussions with prospective operators before agreeing them.
The report of the Planning Inspector into the Marhill Copse application was 'interesting' - my reading of it was that SOU needed to get their act together and submit a reasonable request to get approval
I'm assuming the comments about Jet2 and easy are guesswork, RW20?
It's way to early to say if the runway extenasion has been successful or not. I thought the operating hours were agreed as part of the planning agreement for the extension, so can't see any changes anytime soon. Presumably SOU accepted them as the price of getting business done, and had discussions with prospective operators before agreeing them.
The report of the Planning Inspector into the Marhill Copse application was 'interesting' - my reading of it was that SOU needed to get their act together and submit a reasonable request to get approval
As per recently approved S106, operating hours are 0630-2300 Mon-Sat and 0730-2300 on Sun. 10 flights per month and no more than 100 in a 12 month period are allowed after 2300. Whilst maybe not as flexible as some airports, these timings are hardly restrictive to running a decent airport operation.
So SEN has a few small advantages over SOU operationally. In normal times, although it still suffers a temporary overhang in this respect from its decreased activity post Covid, SEN operates H24 and no specific night extensions are needed to be arranged. So as stewby says "these (SOU) timings are hardly restrictive to running a decent airport operation". SOU would likely benefit from a flexible extension of opening hours beyond 2300 to cater for the permitted 10 per month allowed in the S106 agreement.
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If we could just stay clear of this "we're doomed Captain Mainwaring" type of conversation and celebrate the fact that Southampton Airport will be welcoming a new airline and a new route on Friday 28th June.
The French regional airline Chalair Aviation commence their twice weekly flight's between Caen and Southampton this Friday. Flight's will also operate on Sundays. The seasonal flights operate up until the end of September using ATRs.
This will be the airlines first ever scheduled flight to the UK. Hopefully Chalair Aviation has success with this new route and it will reappear for summer 2025.
The French regional airline Chalair Aviation commence their twice weekly flight's between Caen and Southampton this Friday. Flight's will also operate on Sundays. The seasonal flights operate up until the end of September using ATRs.
This will be the airlines first ever scheduled flight to the UK. Hopefully Chalair Aviation has success with this new route and it will reappear for summer 2025.
When your airline has been booked for your package on a ''buy in'' seat basis from a LCC carrier there is simply not the point of contact and welfare in place when bad delays or more often than not the flight gets cancelled...
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As per recently approved S106, operating hours are 0630-2300 Mon-Sat and 0730-2300 on Sun. 10 flights per month and no more than 100 in a 12 month period are allowed after 2300. Whilst maybe not as flexible as some airports, these timings are hardly restrictive to running a decent airport operation.
https://www.southamptonairport.com/m...inal-clean.pdf
this provision no longer applies.
The current version of the Section gives an indication of the expertise of those who drafted it, including AGS. Among the aircraft currently banned from using the airport are:
Viper engined HS125, Convair 880/990, VC10/Super VC10, HS Trident and DH Comet!
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While the original version (s) of the Section 106 provided for 10 flights per month, according to the latest issue (dated 3 June 2021) on the SOU website;
https://www.southamptonairport.com/m...inal-clean.pdf
this provision no longer applies.
The current version of the Section gives an indication of the expertise of those who drafted it, including AGS. Among the aircraft currently banned from using the airport are:
Viper engined HS125, Convair 880/990, VC10/Super VC10, HS Trident and DH Comet!
https://www.southamptonairport.com/m...inal-clean.pdf
this provision no longer applies.
The current version of the Section gives an indication of the expertise of those who drafted it, including AGS. Among the aircraft currently banned from using the airport are:
Viper engined HS125, Convair 880/990, VC10/Super VC10, HS Trident and DH Comet!
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While the original version (s) of the Section 106 provided for 10 flights per month, according to the latest issue (dated 3 June 2021) on the SOU website;
https://www.southamptonairport.com/m...inal-clean.pdf
this provision no longer applies.
The current version of the Section gives an indication of the expertise of those who drafted it, including AGS. Among the aircraft currently banned from using the airport are:
Viper engined HS125, Convair 880/990, VC10/Super VC10, HS Trident and DH Comet!
https://www.southamptonairport.com/m...inal-clean.pdf
this provision no longer applies.
The current version of the Section gives an indication of the expertise of those who drafted it, including AGS. Among the aircraft currently banned from using the airport are:
Viper engined HS125, Convair 880/990, VC10/Super VC10, HS Trident and DH Comet!
Several years ago I posted that because of the restrictions, Southampton was quite unlike the other regional airports and was very much a business, short breaks and friends and family airport, much more akin to London City than any of the regionals. The problem is that this type of traffic has diminished and there’s no airline around to adequately step-in and fill the void left by the demise of Flybe. The fact that Eastern, Blue Islands, Aer Lingus Regional or Loganair haven’t increased to fill the vacuum speaks volumes about the frequent short-haul domestic market within the UK.
The councillors at Eastleigh borough council are like all politicians, they will always protect themselves from any possible backlash from their constituents who don’t want to see expansion, and most likely the councillors have little grasp of the aviation sector and blindly assume that another Flybe type operation will hop in eventually and all will be well.
Obviously the airport owners don’t wish to rock the boat too much with the local authority, but clearly they do need to make a much stronger case for some relaxation of the present restrictions.