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I wonder if business jets is a wise investment?
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Interesting. Didn’t know this. Guess that rules out the spur extension from stand 14 which would have been the simple solution. Airbus sized aircraft do tend to always leave a little late even when they arrive early so hope the airport is looking at that.
It’s good to see that SOU are diversifying their business. For years they have been turning business jets away. In an ideal world they would finally move the business and maintenance hangers to the development land in the north east as there master plan envisages. Seeing as that land is part of the freeport, the various incentives must be enticing for businesses to invest. Very much hope that land is largely used for business gets, maintenance or aerospace manufacturing.
Could always remove the small cargo/industrial unit adjacent to stand 13 and open up further ramp space for biz traffic
Interesting. Didn’t know this. Guess that rules out the spur extension from stand 14 which would have been the simple solution. Airbus sized aircraft do tend to always leave a little late even when they arrive early so hope the airport is looking at that.
It’s good to see that SOU are diversifying their business. For years they have been turning business jets away. In an ideal world they would finally move the business and maintenance hangers to the development land in the north east as there master plan envisages. Seeing as that land is part of the freeport, the various incentives must be enticing for businesses to invest. Very much hope that land is largely used for business gets, maintenance or aerospace manufacturing.
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Palma is showing the most disrupted airport internationally on FR24 tonight and almost all flights are shown delayed, some quite significantly. It may be the knock on of delayed flights earlier in the day, and is probably affected by the restrictions to night time flying at Southampton.
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Palma was in incredibly affected yesterday, many long delays
Unfortunately the SOU flight was caught up in this mess and being the last flight of the day hit the cancellation button
Looks like Cityflyer have dropped the Chambery winter ski flights over the weekend period as nothing bookable
The aircraft night stopped from EDI over a Fri / Sat and operated 2 flights
Unfortunately the SOU flight was caught up in this mess and being the last flight of the day hit the cancellation button
Looks like Cityflyer have dropped the Chambery winter ski flights over the weekend period as nothing bookable
The aircraft night stopped from EDI over a Fri / Sat and operated 2 flights
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Palma was in incredibly affected yesterday, many long delays
Unfortunately, the SOU flight was caught up in this mess, and being the last flight of the day hit the cancellation button
Looks like Cityflyer has dropped the Chambery winter ski flights over the weekend period as nothing bookable
The aircraft night stopped from EDI over a Fri / Sat and operated 2 flights
Unfortunately, the SOU flight was caught up in this mess, and being the last flight of the day hit the cancellation button
Looks like Cityflyer has dropped the Chambery winter ski flights over the weekend period as nothing bookable
The aircraft night stopped from EDI over a Fri / Sat and operated 2 flights
But alas, even though BACF has several flights scheduled from SOU for summer 2025, this, of course, could easily change. I'm not alone in wanting BACF to remain at SOU, but with the way things are looking, I can't see them being here after 2025, if not sooner.
Regarding Chambéry...If the destination remains relevant, I wonder if another airline or tour operator might consider it from SOU.
Summer 2024 is, by all accounts, going to be a record year for UK aviation. With this premis, SOU should be gaining routes rather than continuously losing them.
With Lufthansa recently dropping LGW, the 'route development team' or whatever it's called at SOU should have tried and approached them.
Although SOU obviously needs to attract more sun routes, its destinations such as major European cities that the airport should also be looking at. Especially those that are major hubs, these, in my opinion, should not be overlooked.
Of course, we can't overlook the fact that LHR is only an hours drive from SOU with its myriad of flights. But SOU does have hub connectivity with AMS, DUB, and to a certain extent, CDG, having the likes of FRA or MUC, would open so many more opportunities at SOU.
There is quite a bit of demand between Germany and Southampton especially regarding the cities international cruise business. With the newly created Lufthansa subsidiary 'Lufthansa City Airlines' recently announced expansion plans then hopefully at some point in the future SOU might be a consideration.
BA Cityflyer unfortunately has a reputation over the years of just filling in at weekends where they can using LCY aircraft then leaving
BRS & BHX were a good example
The cost of night stopping up to 6 / 7 aircraft and potentially 30 crew and engineers for a weekend is high and unfortunately some of the loads on the routes they operated in a club / euro traveller config were poor and failed to deliver
However on other routes the loads were high especially the usual PMI , AGP & FAO
TUI will no doubt continue to use BA in operating on behalf of the holiday company , doubtful they will use their own metal but loads are good so perhaps a 3rd party carrier next summer 25
BRS & BHX were a good example
The cost of night stopping up to 6 / 7 aircraft and potentially 30 crew and engineers for a weekend is high and unfortunately some of the loads on the routes they operated in a club / euro traveller config were poor and failed to deliver
However on other routes the loads were high especially the usual PMI , AGP & FAO
TUI will no doubt continue to use BA in operating on behalf of the holiday company , doubtful they will use their own metal but loads are good so perhaps a 3rd party carrier next summer 25
BA Cityflyer unfortunately has a reputation over the years of just filling in at weekends where they can using LCY aircraft then leaving
BRS & BHX were a good example
The cost of night stopping up to 6 / 7 aircraft and potentially 30 crew and engineers for a weekend is high and unfortunately some of the loads on the routes they operated in a club / euro traveller config were poor and failed to deliver
However on other routes the loads were high especially the usual PMI , AGP & FAO
TUI will no doubt continue to use BA in operating on behalf of the holiday company , doubtful they will use their own metal but loads are good so perhaps a 3rd party carrier next summer 25
BRS & BHX were a good example
The cost of night stopping up to 6 / 7 aircraft and potentially 30 crew and engineers for a weekend is high and unfortunately some of the loads on the routes they operated in a club / euro traveller config were poor and failed to deliver
However on other routes the loads were high especially the usual PMI , AGP & FAO
TUI will no doubt continue to use BA in operating on behalf of the holiday company , doubtful they will use their own metal but loads are good so perhaps a 3rd party carrier next summer 25
But....I was hoping just hoping that BACF would gradually expand at SOU rather than continuously retreating. I was also hoping just hoping that once BACF eventually ordered new aircraft for LCY that several of the current fleet would be based at SOU on a permanent basis. I was hoping just hoping that BACF made a success at SOU with a possibility of a future base.
I can't see any of the above ever happening now, I've given up 'just hoping'.
Regarding a possibility of a 3rd party carrier next summer for TUI. It would be nice to see the return of Volotea at SOU and even more so if they resumed scheduled flights again alongside any possible TUI charters.
On another note.
Vueling are operating LHR to BCN, ORY and FLR this summer. Are these flights slot fitters for the IATA summer 2024 season only or are they permanent. If they are just slot fitting these flights and they have proven popular perhaps Vueling might consider resuming SOU again and relocate those flights in our direction.
Or am I 'just hoping' again!
I need to stop this and get outside and enjoy the sun 🌞
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Palma was in incredibly affected yesterday, many long delays
Unfortunately the SOU flight was caught up in this mess and being the last flight of the day hit the cancellation button
Looks like Cityflyer have dropped the Chambery winter ski flights over the weekend period as nothing bookable
The aircraft night stopped from EDI over a Fri / Sat and operated 2 flights
Unfortunately the SOU flight was caught up in this mess and being the last flight of the day hit the cancellation button
Looks like Cityflyer have dropped the Chambery winter ski flights over the weekend period as nothing bookable
The aircraft night stopped from EDI over a Fri / Sat and operated 2 flights
Claiming ATC is one way of avoiding EU261 compensation claims, not that I’d ever suggest that EZY would tell porkies.
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Yeah I totally appreciate and understand the situation regarding BACF and the reasons behind these weekend rotations.
But....I was hoping just hoping that BACF would gradually expand at SOU rather than continuously retreating. I was also hoping just hoping that once BACF eventually ordered new aircraft for LCY that several of the current fleet would be based at SOU on a permanent basis. I was hoping just hoping that BACF made a success at SOU with a possibility of a future base.
I can't see any of the above ever happening now, I've given up 'just hoping'.
Regarding a possibility of a 3rd party carrier next summer for TUI. It would be nice to see the return of Volotea at SOU and even more so if they resumed scheduled flights again alongside any possible TUI charters.
On another note.
Vueling are operating LHR to BCN, ORY and FLR this summer. Are these flights slot fitters for the IATA summer 2024 season only or are they permanent. If they are just slot fitting these flights and they have proven popular perhaps Vueling might consider resuming SOU again and relocate those flights in our direction.
Or am I 'just hoping' again!
I need to stop this and get outside and enjoy the sun 🌞
Enjoy the sunshine guy's 🌞
But....I was hoping just hoping that BACF would gradually expand at SOU rather than continuously retreating. I was also hoping just hoping that once BACF eventually ordered new aircraft for LCY that several of the current fleet would be based at SOU on a permanent basis. I was hoping just hoping that BACF made a success at SOU with a possibility of a future base.
I can't see any of the above ever happening now, I've given up 'just hoping'.
Regarding a possibility of a 3rd party carrier next summer for TUI. It would be nice to see the return of Volotea at SOU and even more so if they resumed scheduled flights again alongside any possible TUI charters.
On another note.
Vueling are operating LHR to BCN, ORY and FLR this summer. Are these flights slot fitters for the IATA summer 2024 season only or are they permanent. If they are just slot fitting these flights and they have proven popular perhaps Vueling might consider resuming SOU again and relocate those flights in our direction.
Or am I 'just hoping' again!
I need to stop this and get outside and enjoy the sun 🌞
Enjoy the sunshine guy's 🌞
With great connections and extended runway the airport should be announcing new routes,especially Sun routes,but there's nothing,is it because down the road at Bouenemouth have captured the South coast market.
Realistically if Easy pulled out,where would that leave us?,simply domestic routes arn't going to sustain the airport for long,Trying times are ahead!
If it could be proved that SOU could have handled the flight I’d be looking in to the possibility of EU261 compensation as the non-op was not beyond EZY’s control.
Have just read a Travel Weekly email which has an item referring to a new Air France 3 weekly service to Kilimanjaro starting 18 November with connections from 5 UK Airports namely, LHR, BHX, MAN, NCL,and EDI. Does this indicate that AF are removing their code share on the SOU/EMA to CDG Eastern service?
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Have just read a Travel Weekly email which has an item referring to a new Air France 3 weekly service to Kilimanjaro starting 18 November with connections from 5 UK Airports namely, LHR, BHX, MAN, NCL,and EDI. Does this indicate that AF are removing their code share on the SOU/EMA to CDG Eastern service?