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Old 3rd Jun 2024, 11:10
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I heard through the grapevine (so it could be rubbish) that EZY had agreed with SOU management that if GLA was included in “the deal” that they wouldn’t go above 2 rotations per week.
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Folk wanted easyJet and have got easyJet. Welcome to the pros and cons of bigger capacity aircraft but less flights.

One negative impact is the departure boards are going to look somewhat sparse.

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Originally Posted by willy wombat
I heard through the grapevine (so it could be rubbish) that EZY had agreed with SOU management that if GLA was included in “the deal” that they wouldn’t go above 2 rotations per week.
Unsure then why they are offering a daily service now?
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Old 3rd Jun 2024, 12:19
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Originally Posted by Albert Hall
It has everything to do with the airport and the commercial deals it does with the operators at its airport. Although an airport cannot stop an operator flying from A to B, it can exercise very considerable latitude over the terms that operator enjoys at the airport(s) - especially when, as in this case, the same company owns the airports at both ends of the route.
Thanks for the answer.

Can an airport charge the same airline different prices for differing routes? ie, expensive charges to prohibit operations on domestic routes and cheaper elsewhere to encourage flights to the med?
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
The airport has already said that the likes of Logan do not provide enough passengers for it to break even so they clearly are not going to care too much about them.
i.e. All SOU airlines that aren't easyJet. What a winning business model that might end up being.
Off you pop Aurigny and Blue Islands, tatty-bye Aer Lingus Regional....

We'll really need to give it at least a full year to see how things pan out, it's too early to say. easyJet will be making a decision on the best place to deploy their fleet for 2025 and assuming SOU sees strong revenue and potential, they might see some more growth. There's maybe even a case of for a quick SOU-JER in between other rotations to bring low fares to that market as well and send Blue Islands packing? But that's short term gain (Summer good options) vs. medium term pain (Winter-no options).
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
Thanks for the answer.

Can an airport charge the same airline different prices for differing routes? ie, expensive charges to prohibit operations on domestic routes and cheaper elsewhere to encourage flights to the med?
Originally Posted by SKOJB
Unsure then why they are offering a daily service now?
That is exactly my point.
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Old 3rd Jun 2024, 18:15
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easyJet look to be adding additional winter dates on the app for GLA/BFS/GVA although no pricing loaded as yet. ALC also 3 weekly over Oct half term.
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Old 3rd Jun 2024, 18:53
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
The airport has already said that the likes of Logan do not provide enough passengers for it to break even so they clearly are not going to care too much about them.
I would imagine that they said that the likes of Loganair do not provide enough passengers on their own to break even - but all operators contribute, so the airport should be trying to nuture all of them. Hopefully they've learnt the lesson of being dependent on one operator.
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The AGS group are massively underwhelming when it comes to nurturing airlines. EDI and BOH are running multiple rings around them. It almost feels like they want the airports to fail given their complete and utter lack of engagement
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Old 4th Jun 2024, 06:07
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Originally Posted by TartinTon
The AGS group are massively underwhelming when it comes to nurturing airlines. EDI and BOH are running multiple rings around them. It almost feels like they want the airports to fail given their complete and utter lack of engagement
There seems to be little going on with SOU route development ,AGS continue to under perform,at this rate it's going to be a long time to make any profit at the airport
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
We'll really need to give it at least a full year to see how things pan out, it's too early to say. easyJet will be making a decision on the best place to deploy their fleet for 2025 and assuming SOU sees strong revenue and potential, they might see some more growth.
As Skipness said, it's way to early to call. It will be interesting to see how the summer goes for EZY.

Are the JSY/GCI routes supported by contracts for medical appointments etc?
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Originally Posted by Albert Hall
That’s precisely what happens at many other airports. If you want to fly to X, you can - but you’ll be paying full airport fees if you do. Want to fly to Y, there are commercial deals available. Why do you think easyJet is on GLA-SOU and not EDI?
That's a simple one. There's a SOU sized gap in the GLA schedule and not the EDI schedule. It's a filler, not a core route for Easy.
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Old 4th Jun 2024, 11:04
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
Thanks for the answer.

Can an airport charge the same airline different prices for differing routes? ie, expensive charges to prohibit operations on domestic routes and cheaper elsewhere to encourage flights to the med?
Happens all the time. Incentivise a required route and charge standard charges on a currently served route to provide a decent blended rate that the airline can choose to spread across all routes at the base or apply the rates to the specified routes depending on what they want the individual route results to look like.
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Originally Posted by MidlandsWanderer
That's a simple one. There's a SOU sized gap in the GLA schedule and not the EDI schedule. It's a filler, not a core route for Easy.

seems to me EZY incentivised to operate between AGS points, whereas EDI value Logan’s high frequency service and other network points
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Old 4th Jun 2024, 21:17
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Originally Posted by TartinTon
The AGS group are massively underwhelming when it comes to nurturing airlines. EDI and BOH are running multiple rings around them. It almost feels like they want the airports to fail given their complete and utter lack of engagement
Let's hope this eventually leads to a shot in the arm for the AGS owned airports?

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"whereas EDI value Logan’s high frequency service and other network points"

its partly political - connecting the far flung bits of Scotland to the Capital
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Old 12th Jun 2024, 15:47
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Just seen UK AIP amendment AIRAC 08/2024, due for publication on 27 June. The runway has either been re-surveyed, or someone has looked in detail at the survey data!

On the plus side the RWY 02 TORA/ASDA has gone up from 1745 to 1749M, RWY 20 declared distances unchanged, but the runway width reduced from 37 to 36M.
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Old 12th Jun 2024, 19:00
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
Just seen UK AIP amendment AIRAC 08/2024, due for publication on 27 June. The runway has either been re-surveyed, or someone has looked in detail at the survey data!

On the plus side the RWY 02 TORA/ASDA has gone up from 1745 to 1749M, RWY 20 declared distances unchanged, but the runway width reduced from 37 to 36M.
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What does this mean in real terms for operators like Easy?
The airport needs some good news, to date there has been little to write home about since the runway extension.
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Old 12th Jun 2024, 19:19
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Runway width: Just noticed r/w 20 threshold has eight stripes, r/w 02, six. Is it really narrower at one end than the other?
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Old 12th Jun 2024, 19:28
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
Runway width: Just noticed r/w 20 threshold has eight stripes, r/w 02, six. Is it really narrower at one end than the other?
I think the number of threshold stripes is based on the runway instrument status. 02 is non-precision and has the runway numbers between the stripes. 20 is precision instrument with the runway numbers beyond the stripes. Not sure though if pilots would notice the difference.
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