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I'm not sure it s a strategic decision to reduce services but one born out of necessity - didn't the new CEO state he wanted to expand the business when he took over?
The UK Pilot market is buoyant at the moment, especially for experienced Pilots with the right to live and work in the UK, Logan are haemorrhaging Pilots far better career enhancing and paying options.
Probably a wise move to retreat to the core business until the dust settled - I think Hinkles saw what was coming.
Scotland actually NEEDS an airline to service the Islands, but the new Scottish tax rates won't have helped.
The UK Pilot market is buoyant at the moment, especially for experienced Pilots with the right to live and work in the UK, Logan are haemorrhaging Pilots far better career enhancing and paying options.
Probably a wise move to retreat to the core business until the dust settled - I think Hinkles saw what was coming.
Scotland actually NEEDS an airline to service the Islands, but the new Scottish tax rates won't have helped.
Probably a wise move to retreat to the core business until the dust settled
The above two posts have added some of the insight I was after. Namely the ferries being crap and there being cheap tickets thanks to an air discount scheme. Whist this explains a bit the need for tax payer funded flights on a mode of transport that goes against the environmental grain to low population islands, I’m not sure how it can sustain a business with 36 aircraft. Time will tell. Be interesting to know what their top 10 performing routes were last year.
If you want to understand how Loganair outlasted so many of their peers.
*IF*.
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Time to step back everyone.
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There is a long established rule in PPRuNe: Play the Ball - not the Player.
We do not need any more personal accusations. I am watching.
I can recommend Loganair : A Scottish Survivor by former CEO Scott Grier and Scotland's Airline The First 23 Years by Iain Hutchison from the usual sources. It also explains how they expanded out of Scotland into SOU before events made sure those routes went elsewhere in the group.
If you want to understand how Loganair outlasted so many of their peers.
*IF*.
If you want to understand how Loganair outlasted so many of their peers.
*IF*.
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Re environmental issues. I seem to remember that when Jonathan Hinkles was berated about this with “greens” saying people should take trains instead he pointed out that the nearest train station to The Shetlands is Bergen.
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Not a "mysterious incident" at all. There was contact between a vehicle and the LH wingtip which damaged the structure and nav light. All fixed now so nothing to see here...
According to Jethro's, Loganair's latest ATR72-600 was delivered on 9th June; 2-RAQB (to be registered G-LMTF) will be based at/on IOM.
Note the "Isle of Man's Airline" (similar to 'Scotland's Airline') slogan, the adaptation of the Loganair logo to show the Triskelion (Three Legs of Mann) symbol and also the colour of the fuselage and centre of the tartan tail is green instead of the usual black, which is perhaps a nod to the green of the former Manx Airlines
Is this just a one-off/special livery or will others likely be/get painted like this?
I'm not so sure that that green works quite so well with Loganair's livery.
2-RAQB / G-LMTF: https://www.airliners.net/photo/Loga...0BRqsyHQ%3D%3D
Manx Airlines (just for reference): https://www.airliners.net/photo/Manx...nAsdxw%2BGTC0J
Note the "Isle of Man's Airline" (similar to 'Scotland's Airline') slogan, the adaptation of the Loganair logo to show the Triskelion (Three Legs of Mann) symbol and also the colour of the fuselage and centre of the tartan tail is green instead of the usual black, which is perhaps a nod to the green of the former Manx Airlines
Is this just a one-off/special livery or will others likely be/get painted like this?
I'm not so sure that that green works quite so well with Loganair's livery.
2-RAQB / G-LMTF: https://www.airliners.net/photo/Loga...0BRqsyHQ%3D%3D
Manx Airlines (just for reference): https://www.airliners.net/photo/Manx...nAsdxw%2BGTC0J
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According to Jethro's, Loganair's latest ATR72-600 was delivered on 9th June; 2-RAQB (to be registered G-LMTF) will be based at/on IOM.
Note the "Isle of Man's Airline" (similar to 'Scotland's Airline') slogan, the adaptation of the Loganair logo to show the Triskelion (Three Legs of Mann) symbol and also the colour of the fuselage and centre of the tartan tail is green instead of the usual black, which is perhaps a nod to the green of the former Manx Airlines
Is this just a one-off/special livery or will others likely be/get painted like this?
I'm not so sure that that green works quite so well with Loganair's livery.
2-RAQB / G-LMTF: https://www.airliners.net/photo/Loga...0BRqsyHQ%3D%3D
Manx Airlines (just for reference): https://www.airliners.net/photo/Manx...nAsdxw%2BGTC0J
Note the "Isle of Man's Airline" (similar to 'Scotland's Airline') slogan, the adaptation of the Loganair logo to show the Triskelion (Three Legs of Mann) symbol and also the colour of the fuselage and centre of the tartan tail is green instead of the usual black, which is perhaps a nod to the green of the former Manx Airlines
Is this just a one-off/special livery or will others likely be/get painted like this?
I'm not so sure that that green works quite so well with Loganair's livery.
2-RAQB / G-LMTF: https://www.airliners.net/photo/Loga...0BRqsyHQ%3D%3D
Manx Airlines (just for reference): https://www.airliners.net/photo/Manx...nAsdxw%2BGTC0J
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I know he no longer works at/for Loganair, however I thought it'd be best to put this here rather than dedicate an entire thread to Mr Hinkles himself.
It appears that he's attracting quite a bit of criticism for some recent remarks: https://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2024...verly-generous
I absolutely agree with him on this particular point - the rules are "crazy" and result in “huge costs” for airlines, especially when the amount of compensation paid out can range from £220-£520 per passenger, which in some cases (perhaps not always for LM...!) far exceeds what the passenger has actually paid for their ticket in the first place.
I think the industry needs to move more towards the kind of 'Delay Repay' scheme that's applied on/to the railways, whereby a specific % of a passenger's fare is paid back depending on the length of the delay.
It appears that he's attracting quite a bit of criticism for some recent remarks: https://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2024...verly-generous
I absolutely agree with him on this particular point - the rules are "crazy" and result in “huge costs” for airlines, especially when the amount of compensation paid out can range from £220-£520 per passenger, which in some cases (perhaps not always for LM...!) far exceeds what the passenger has actually paid for their ticket in the first place.
I think the industry needs to move more towards the kind of 'Delay Repay' scheme that's applied on/to the railways, whereby a specific % of a passenger's fare is paid back depending on the length of the delay.
I know he no longer works at/for Loganair, however I thought it'd be best to put this here rather than dedicate an entire thread to Mr Hinkles himself.
It appears that he's attracting quite a bit of criticism for some recent remarks: https://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2024...verly-generous
I absolutely agree with him on this particular point - the rules are "crazy" and result in “huge costs” for airlines, especially when the amount of compensation paid out can range from £220-£520 per passenger, which in some cases (perhaps not always for LM...!) far exceeds what the passenger has actually paid for their ticket in the first place.
I think the industry needs to move more towards the kind of 'Delay Repay' scheme that's applied on/to the railways, whereby a specific % of a passenger's fare is paid back depending on the length of the delay.
It appears that he's attracting quite a bit of criticism for some recent remarks: https://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2024...verly-generous
I absolutely agree with him on this particular point - the rules are "crazy" and result in “huge costs” for airlines, especially when the amount of compensation paid out can range from £220-£520 per passenger, which in some cases (perhaps not always for LM...!) far exceeds what the passenger has actually paid for their ticket in the first place.
I think the industry needs to move more towards the kind of 'Delay Repay' scheme that's applied on/to the railways, whereby a specific % of a passenger's fare is paid back depending on the length of the delay.
I’d rather see the regulations toughened up and carriers who don’t pay out legitimate claims should be forced to pay double. Far too many reject claims that are within the law.
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The point is that they're complaining about compensation payments. Those events are within the airline's control