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Old 15th Jul 2022, 14:02
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So, as this is a rumours site, any thoughts/insight into what the new airlines or routes could be?

Anyone have any thoughts?

My pure speculation starter would simply be more Ryanair non-based operations with at the more positive end a based Ryanair or a based TUI given the DSA news. Can’t see much more than that?
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There is potentially a decent Wizz operation up for grabs. To me EMA looks like too much overlap with their LTN and BHX catchments. LBA might be keen for the business too.
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There is potentially a decent Wizz operation up for grabs. To me EMA looks like too much overlap with their LTN and BHX catchments. LBA might be keen for the business too.
But does the Wizz market want to go to Teesside? They were in DSA for a reason.
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Malaga must be high on airports wish list? Seems the obvious missing route 🤷‍♂️
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Can’t see 2 LCC operating from MME when MAN, LBA and NCL are close(ish) alternatives and the airports catchment will always be limited. Guess it depends on how deep the majors pockets are again but they won’t last whatever!
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]Can’t see 2 LCC operating from MME when MAN, LBA and NCL are close(ish) alternatives and the airports catchment will always be limited. Guess it depends on how deep the majors pockets are again but they won’t last whatever![/QUOTE]
I think Wizzair would dovetail into LBA very well, much like LIverpool, especially the evening flights when LBA is quieter, at least until the new Departures extension is completed.
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]Can’t see 2 LCC operating from MME when MAN, LBA and NCL are close(ish) alternatives and the airports catchment will always be limited. Guess it depends on how deep the majors pocketsI think Wizzair are again but they won’t last whatever!

I think Wizzair would dovetail into LBA very well, much like LIverpool, especially the evening flights when LBA is quieter, at least until the new Departures extension is completed.
There appears to be a basic assumption in much of the comment on this thread & it is that if airlines are incentivised one way or another to put aircraft / services into MME then there will be sufficient support within it's catchment area to support them.
I'm reading forecasts of 0.5M pax within 2 years, £1m within 5 years. These are "prima facie" modest volumes but where's the growth in the local economy to support these stats ?
Also I can't see any mileage on views that MME will be in a position to offer services/ facilities to attract pax from outside it's own catchment area for 3 years at least, whilst it's own catchment area shows little sign of growth & is the subject of intense competition offered from MAN/LBA/NCL
Th financial situation that MME finds itself in is near disastrous, the "bandwagon" kept going by "politician" Ben & a ludicrous amount of financial investment of public funds, that would be looked on from the business point of view as totally irresponsible lending.
As matters progress, then it would seem that a rapid & near exponential growth of the business park concept will be necessary to maintain what is essential financial support from the public coffers.
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Old 17th Jul 2022, 15:49
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A well reasoned argument skyman, I wonder if anyone has a similar argument in support of MME?
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Old 17th Jul 2022, 16:26
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The opposing argeument is this one:

https://www.northernfarmer.co.uk/new...-success-area/

International investment is critical to the advancement of our area and I’ve always said that this doesn’t come on a bus, it comes through an airport terminal, and the SeAH investment is a prime example of this. Despite being nearly 5,500 miles away from South Korea, Teesside International Airport, and our global connectivity via Amsterdam, played a critical part in securing this £400million investment decision. Without our airport this project simply would have gone elsewhere. This is a fact.
So the arguement is an international airport is needed to attract the international investment needed to regenerate the region and provide the growth in the local economy. How do you pay for it? 'sweat the assetts' - fill the car parks, cafe's, bar's and spa's with holiday makers, develop the spare southside land, attract/retain anciliary businesses like Draken, Willis which bring skills and investment to the region.

Will it work? Who knows - doubt there needs to much more spent on the terminal in the near future but one of the busiest week of the years and the airport website shows 30 departures - the busiest day has 6. Yes Draken and Willis have expanded but what of the Fire School? What sort of investment will the Southside bring - highly skilled jobs or more warehousing?


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“Teesside is a joke, it cost tax payers £125 per passenger in subsidies when it was bought out, that has risen to £950 per passenger during 2020/21. The Mayor won't provide any info as to where our money has gone, just insists it will be profitable at some future point. The airport has given millions in contracts without tender, often to the Mayor's financial backers. The tax payer is liable for over £60m of loans taken out by the Mayor to prop the place up. Infrastructure round the airport is terrible, single carriageway roads, no buses & a mothballed railway siding. The real tragedy is the Mayor is spending all this money on an insolvent airport when the area has the highest level of child deprevation in the UK.

The brain dead of Teesside love the Mayor because they don't understand they are paying all the costs, have all the liability but will see none of the money. Private Eye run monthly stories on our Mayor, he's that dodgy. Your airport has the potential to be solvent but be wary of how it gets subsidised. Teesside has been insolvent for 25 years, it's a lost cause”


The above copied from a Facebook page re.the ongoing problems at Doncaster.

I have no idea how much of this factual or fiction..however it does ask questions?
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Old 17th Jul 2022, 18:30
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If you ignore the 'dodgy dealings' element (which we can't settle here either way), it's as I posted earlier. The money has been spent early to get the terminal up to an acceptable level, so its 'speculate to accumalate'. The roads are fine for the current level of traffic and a good few years yet. To justify investment in the railway you would need to have waaaay more passengers, no idea why there is no bus service.

The brain dead of Teesside love the Mayor because they don't understand they are paying all the costs, have all the liability but will see none of the money.
This bit is wrong - the pot of money being spent on the airport comes from national not local taxes. Should it have been spent on something else? Maybe - but the airport was a big part of the Mayors election campaign and he won the vote.
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Old 17th Jul 2022, 18:55
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I suppose future ..immediate development..if master plans come to fruition…will be apron and taxyway strengths ?

No idea where that money will come from though?
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Is Teesside 24/7? Only 2Excel Aviation might be looking for a new home.......
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Old 17th Jul 2022, 22:15
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They do late opps by arrangement. The ideal hangar has FedEx land cargo in it at the moment, for the right price the airport will kick anyone out.
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New Jet Centre

New £25m Jet Centre and Maintenance Facility

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/t...ms-up-24512949

Most of the article is a rinse and repeat of old news but the headline says it all. Planning stage for now.
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Originally Posted by P330
New £25m Jet Centre and Maintenance Facility

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/t...ms-up-24512949

Most of the article is a rinse and repeat of old news but the headline says it all. Planning stage for now.
It looks like the public aren't convinced who saved the airport after reading the "Comments" section
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More pictures and comments in the Echo.
Teesside Airport: 200 new jobs as Willis confirm £25m investment | The Northern Echo
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Originally Posted by P330
New £25m Jet Centre and Maintenance Facility

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/t...ms-up-24512949

Most of the article is a rinse and repeat of old news but the headline says it all. Planning stage for now.
Yes - a very odd statement, announcing that they are about to start planning? First time I've seen the phrase "Airport Village"? Also, Willis Aviation Services Limited seem to be a brand new company - do Willis do ground handling anywhere else?
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At least they are going through the planning first this time.

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Old 18th Jul 2022, 12:25
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Ben managed to recycle some old news ..needed it after poor airport press recently?

Absolutely no doubt that planning permission will be approved.
Down side is…the terminal appears to be fully constricted for growth as buildings either side.
Not sure what the maximum theoretical capacity of the terminal will be in the future ?
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