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This is very true. I work for a fairly large company and domestic flying is now pretty much not permitted unless it's a route where the train journey is particularly onerous (ABZ is the obvious example), or there's some other exceptional circumstance. There's almost no scenario where we would be permitted to fly from Manchester to London, for example. Under our policy, it'd be very rare that a Darlington to London journey by air would be approved
- Environmental considerations are definitely far more of an influence on personal and business travel choices than they were a few years years ago. That said, if was a highly paid consultant living in Windsor and had to go to a meeting at the government offices in Darlington, I would be pushing to fly.
- Business travel is still far below pre-covid levels. With people now happily working at home on Zoom/Teams, how much will this actually recover long term?
- There is definitely a role for domestic aviation on the right routes given the alternatives. I did a NCL-SOU day trip this week on the plane at a cost of £321. The other options (train: £300/arrive at lunchtime and car: £100 in fuel/arrive at lunchtime/can't work while travelling) would have both required an overnight stay, not to mention the value of my time in taking 2 days up of my schedule instead of one really long day. For Teesside, routes such as Aberdeen, Southampton, Bristol/Cardiff, Exeter and Belfast all fit this criteria.
- Heathrow is clearly not performing to expectations, loads are building every month but the current schedule is clearly not in line with expectations. However, if we believe that there are still some people who do still want to fly domestically, they will not use a service unless the timings work for them - especially when we have such a good train service between Darlington and London. One flight a day is not the service required on this route.
- Domestic flights are not all about point-to-point travel. Pre-covid, KLM had 10,000 passengers a month on the AMS route, the vast majority of these people are connecting on somewhere else. With the right schedule (3 daily) passengers using the Loganair/BA codeshare and connecting onto the BA network could really support the O&D domestic demand.
- Given the return to slot usage rules, I wonder how much the slot holders (I suspect BA) are paying Loganair to slot sit for them at Heathrow? And more importantly, when do they think that demand will have picked up for the owner to use the slots for themselves?
That said, if was a highly paid consultant living in Windsor and had to go to a meeting at the government offices in Darlington, I would be pushing to fly.
Heathrow is clearly not performing to expectations, loads are building every month
Whitehall still more likely...
November and December were worse than October. I agree that LHR is more important for transit than domestic passengers, but that's never been a big earner. Also charges can be a constraining factor as well as slots, the 'connecting Britian' PR spin might still have some benefit for LHR but if they get back to towards anything like full slot use they ain't going to want 40 seaters.
November and December were worse than October. I agree that LHR is more important for transit than domestic passengers, but that's never been a big earner. Also charges can be a constraining factor as well as slots, the 'connecting Britian' PR spin might still have some benefit for LHR but if they get back to towards anything like full slot use they ain't going to want 40 seaters.
August: 9.9 pax per flight
September: 11.5
October: 12.5
November: 14.6
December: 16.2
Rumour has it the new GA hangars have been cancelled and its the case of outside at a cost or leave for the little guy. No more mayors friendly airport. Someone else may know the full of it but loss of revenue from two accidents has been quoted and the airport going to 40 flights per day.
40 flights per day? Oh well..🤔
How does that affect aircraft sleeping in hangers? Maybe for goodwill they could have remained inside until those 40 flights per day are achieved?
How does that affect aircraft sleeping in hangers? Maybe for goodwill they could have remained inside until those 40 flights per day are achieved?
Hangar 3 was the GA hangar, and the inhabitants have been outside since they started converting it into the cargo centre.
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Had a quick look on Saturday and noted a new roller shutter door in the landside of it and the new car park outside of it is complete. Let’s hope someone is due to move in shortly…
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40 flights per day? Suppose 2023 might get close when the now suspended AYT restarts. Never a good move sending what booked pax had taken the plunge to another airport.
Another interesting development suggesting someone doesn't want aviation on the Southside of the airport.
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Say 2 Aberdeen,3 Amsterdam,2 Ryanair 1 Belfast, 2 TUI , 1 jersey, 1 London plus say 3 more unknown.All guesswork of course..but a bit of a template.
Lots of assumptions and guess work!
I make that 15 ish maximum departures per day?..40 ? Doubtful I would suggest?
Lots of assumptions and guess work!
I make that 15 ish maximum departures per day?..40 ? Doubtful I would suggest?
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Say 2 Aberdeen,3 Amsterdam,2 Ryanair 1 Belfast, 2 TUI , 1 jersey, 1 London plus say 3 more unknown.All guesswork of course..but a bit of a template.
Lots of assumptions and guess work!
I make that 15 ish maximum departures per day?..40 ? Doubtful I would suggest?
Lots of assumptions and guess work!
I make that 15 ish maximum departures per day?..40 ? Doubtful I would suggest?