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Not that this will happen but I swear I flew LGW-MAN on Jet2 in 2004? It was for a job interview, I lived near Brighton at the time and it was far cheaper and quicker than getting the train!
I'm surprised there is seemingly not enough P2P demand for a MAN-LGW service, given the long driving time and unreliable rail service that requires a cross London journey on the Tube
I'm surprised there is seemingly not enough P2P demand for a MAN-LGW service, given the long driving time and unreliable rail service that requires a cross London journey on the Tube
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I think VLM used to do Manchester - City but the improvements to the West Coast mainline a decade ago or so killed it off.
I can get a train from Gatwick airport to Manchester Piccadilly in 3 hrs 4 mins according to google maps. Unless feeding long haul flights I don't see how an airline is competitive with that on purely P2P traffic.
I think VLM used to do Manchester - City but the improvements to the West Coast mainline a decade ago or so killed it off.
I think VLM used to do Manchester - City but the improvements to the West Coast mainline a decade ago or so killed it off.
I thought the only reason for the additional London - Manchester/Liverpool flights around 2005-2007 was because the engineering work to upgrade the train line out of Euston made the train service absolutely hopeless. Yes, it was seriously sh*t - made the service in 2023 look absolutely admirable, even with all the irregularities over the last 12 months. Around 2006, you never knew until maybe a week in advance if there would be trains on a particular day or not - and no most people don't want to spend an extra 2 hours on a bus between two different trains en route.
I'm surprised there is seemingly not enough P2P demand for a MAN-LGW service
Although there was a short-lived MAN-LGW schedule last year, that came at a time when the post-covid recovery left unusual slot availability in the short-term. With normal service resumed, peak LGW slots will not trickle down to a MAN service.
easyJet were asked to reduce their domestic ops for this summer after the debacle last year surrounding T1 Domestics/CTA having to be bussed in and sometimes half an hour (plus) waits whilst the buses manoeuvred around the one door. Only once they move over to T2 I can see them coming back onto ABZ/INV and potentially SOU/LGW.
If it is true that a MAG executive ASKED EasyJet to withdraw certain domestic services, then I would like to ASK that executive to find another job more suited to his / her skill level. Somewhere else. Not at Manchester. We've not long lost the FlyBe domestic hub, for goodness sake. And the trains are in chaos.
PLEASE REASSURE ME THAT IT AIN'T SO!!!
Something lost in translation, maybe?
PLEASE REASSURE ME THAT IT AIN'T SO!!!
Something lost in translation, maybe?
Absolutely crazy if the EZY rumour is true!! Really would put the cherry on the top of MAG poor management. In other news, Jetblue formally announced the Amsterdam routes today. That is now 4 routes launching this year to CDG and AMS. I’d like to think the next targets will be Lisbon, then Dublin and then Manchester? I say this knowing full well this won’t happen, given the apparent recent actions of the management!
BA/JE 7821 DEP MAN 06.50 ARR STN 07.50 J31 Daily ex Sat, Sun
BA/JE 7823 DEP MAN 10.35 ARR STN 11.35 J31 Daily ex Sat, Sun
BA/JE 7825 DEP MAN 17.30 ARR STN 18.30 J31 Daily ex Sat, Sun
BA/JE 7822 DEP STN 08.20 ARR MAN 09.20 J31 Daily ex Sat, Sun
BA/JE 7824 DEP STN 16.00 ARR MAN 17.00 J31 Daily ex Sat, Sun
BA/JE 7826 DEP STN 19.00 ARR MAN 20.00 J31 Daily ex Sat, Sun
British Airways axed MAN-STN in 2001 and the route was subsequently taken over by Eastern Airways. The same schedule was more or less kept to the original British Airways timings. I can't quite remember what year Eastern Airways abandoned the route, but I believe that it was around 2003/2004 although I stand to be corrected.
Regarding MAN-SOU
With the loss of MAN-SOU and the total unreliability of Eastern Airways the major cruise lines operating from the Port of Southampton have had to arrange additional coaches to transfer passengers between the two points. In normal circumstances up to two coaches would be available per ship from Manchester and from the surrounding area. For this coming cruise season which has recently commenced there will be up to six coaches per ship from Manchester and the surrounding areas. The ports parking facilities for cruise passengers has had to be expanded by 1200 places to accommodate the extra vehicles. MAN-SOU was always a very popular route for passengers joining their cruise from the Port of Southampton.
The Port of Southampton is Europe's busiest cruise turnaround port with five dedicated cruise terminals with up to twenty cruise company's operating from the Port. The average cruise ship departing the port accommodates up to 3,000 passengers. The Port of Southampton has 586 cruise calls for 2023 with approximately 2.3 million passengers expected through it's five cruise terminals.
A great deal of passengers arriving at the Port of Southampton from Scotland to join their cruise are using the services of Loganair. As mentioned above there are coaching opportunities direct to the Port of Southampton plus the unreliable railways. MAN-SOU is and has always been a very popular route, not just for passengers joining their cruise from the port but also for the wider region.
Southampton is the largest and most important city on the south coast and MAN-SOU serves a purpose and plays a very important part in the UK's domestic connectivity. The population of the City of Southampton and it's metro area is approximately 1.5 million.
Hopefully an airline far more reliable than Eastern Airways will eventually take on the route.
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Yes the 752 J product was inferior but they usually departed on time and I got the miles. Wasn’t much of anything wrong with the A333.
It’s a real shame that they never managed to make the 788 work on the JFK rotation. TCX probably kiboshed that and then went pop.
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Given MAGs track record on freight, it would not surprise me at all if they (MAG) want to discourage any domestic flights. Let's face it- there are no specific domestic facilities & pax experience isn't great in T3. Probably in the too difficult tray, wanting to concentrate on high spending in shops bucket and spade flights.
Given the rail network state, MAG could have had a decent domestic business if they invested or cared about it.
Given the rail network state, MAG could have had a decent domestic business if they invested or cared about it.
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Manchester to London Stansted was originally started by Manx Airways in 1992 which was subsequently taken over by British Airways.
BA/JE 7821 DEP MAN 06.50 ARR STN 07.50 J31 Daily ex Sat, Sun
BA/JE 7823 DEP MAN 10.35 ARR STN 11.35 J31 Daily ex Sat, Sun
BA/JE 7825 DEP MAN 17.30 ARR STN 18.30 J31 Daily ex Sat, Sun
BA/JE 7822 DEP STN 08.20 ARR MAN 09.20 J31 Daily ex Sat, Sun
BA/JE 7824 DEP STN 16.00 ARR MAN 17.00 J31 Daily ex Sat, Sun
BA/JE 7826 DEP STN 19.00 ARR MAN 20.00 J31 Daily ex Sat, Sun
British Airways axed MAN-STN in 2001 and the route was subsequently taken over by Eastern Airways. The same schedule was more or less kept to the original British Airways timings. I can't quite remember what year Eastern Airways abandoned the route, but I believe that it was around 2003/2004 although I stand to be corrected.
Regarding MAN-SOU
With the loss of MAN-SOU and the total unreliability of Eastern Airways the major cruise lines operating from the Port of Southampton have had to arrange additional coaches to transfer passengers between the two points. In normal circumstances up to two coaches would be available per ship from Manchester and from the surrounding area. For this coming cruise season which has recently commenced there will be up to six coaches per ship from Manchester and the surrounding areas. The ports parking facilities for cruise passengers has had to be expanded by 1200 places to accommodate the extra vehicles. MAN-SOU was always a very popular route for passengers joining their cruise from the Port of Southampton.
The Port of Southampton is Europe's busiest cruise turnaround port with five dedicated cruise terminals with up to twenty cruise company's operating from the Port. The average cruise ship departing the port accommodates up to 3,000 passengers. The Port of Southampton has 586 cruise calls for 2023 with approximately 2.3 million passengers expected through it's five cruise terminals.
A great deal of passengers arriving at the Port of Southampton from Scotland to join their cruise are using the services of Loganair. As mentioned above there are coaching opportunities direct to the Port of Southampton plus the unreliable railways. MAN-SOU is and has always been a very popular route, not just for passengers joining their cruise from the port but also for the wider region.
Southampton is the largest and most important city on the south coast and MAN-SOU serves a purpose and plays a very important part in the UK's domestic connectivity. The population of the City of Southampton and it's metro area is approximately 1.5 million.
Hopefully an airline far more reliable than Eastern Airways will eventually take on the route.
BA/JE 7821 DEP MAN 06.50 ARR STN 07.50 J31 Daily ex Sat, Sun
BA/JE 7823 DEP MAN 10.35 ARR STN 11.35 J31 Daily ex Sat, Sun
BA/JE 7825 DEP MAN 17.30 ARR STN 18.30 J31 Daily ex Sat, Sun
BA/JE 7822 DEP STN 08.20 ARR MAN 09.20 J31 Daily ex Sat, Sun
BA/JE 7824 DEP STN 16.00 ARR MAN 17.00 J31 Daily ex Sat, Sun
BA/JE 7826 DEP STN 19.00 ARR MAN 20.00 J31 Daily ex Sat, Sun
British Airways axed MAN-STN in 2001 and the route was subsequently taken over by Eastern Airways. The same schedule was more or less kept to the original British Airways timings. I can't quite remember what year Eastern Airways abandoned the route, but I believe that it was around 2003/2004 although I stand to be corrected.
Regarding MAN-SOU
With the loss of MAN-SOU and the total unreliability of Eastern Airways the major cruise lines operating from the Port of Southampton have had to arrange additional coaches to transfer passengers between the two points. In normal circumstances up to two coaches would be available per ship from Manchester and from the surrounding area. For this coming cruise season which has recently commenced there will be up to six coaches per ship from Manchester and the surrounding areas. The ports parking facilities for cruise passengers has had to be expanded by 1200 places to accommodate the extra vehicles. MAN-SOU was always a very popular route for passengers joining their cruise from the Port of Southampton.
The Port of Southampton is Europe's busiest cruise turnaround port with five dedicated cruise terminals with up to twenty cruise company's operating from the Port. The average cruise ship departing the port accommodates up to 3,000 passengers. The Port of Southampton has 586 cruise calls for 2023 with approximately 2.3 million passengers expected through it's five cruise terminals.
A great deal of passengers arriving at the Port of Southampton from Scotland to join their cruise are using the services of Loganair. As mentioned above there are coaching opportunities direct to the Port of Southampton plus the unreliable railways. MAN-SOU is and has always been a very popular route, not just for passengers joining their cruise from the port but also for the wider region.
Southampton is the largest and most important city on the south coast and MAN-SOU serves a purpose and plays a very important part in the UK's domestic connectivity. The population of the City of Southampton and it's metro area is approximately 1.5 million.
Hopefully an airline far more reliable than Eastern Airways will eventually take on the route.
I somewhat suggest this is playing in the background within MAG Group and that their current marketing teams have been diminished because alleged and potentially illegal cross selling
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I (opinion) expect the Manchester Team are sans deep leadership right now
Cargo was being handled via the East Midlands team. Stansted has its own problems with funding development and parent remains in a recovery process and in financial hock on T2 with known tarmac and parking ( airside) limitations.
I suggest and suspect Manchester remains in consolidation mode through to 2024 even 2025 .
No evidence but that rumour re Easy and domestics ( lack) fits plausibly with such a narrative .
Greenfinch I suppose Speke could pick up the baton on domestics especially with some financial incentive packages and even with a PSO or two.
Problems remain viable operators do they not , we have Loganair, Blue Island and Eastern left and none has enough aircraft or crews to work existing schedules let alone prepare for growth.
Loganair has set their target on prioritising and building up their remedial slots at Windsor and Slough regional
Blue Island I think they work on the dartboard approach and are constantly switching and cancelling routes
And Eastern no comment.
So who do you suggest ?
It also wouldn’t improve provincial connectivity INTO the Manchester long haul product would it.
BTW read elsewhere that the JLA tin can terminal has structural issues almost as bad as pier B and that Peel aren’t interested; is this true ?
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I (opinion) expect the Manchester Team are sans deep leadership right now
Cargo was being handled via the East Midlands team. Stansted has its own problems with funding development and parent remains in a recovery process and in financial hock on T2 with known tarmac and parking ( airside) limitations.
I suggest and suspect Manchester remains in consolidation mode through to 2024 even 2025 .
No evidence but that rumour re Easy and domestics ( lack) fits plausibly with such a narrative .
Greenfinch I suppose Speke could pick up the baton on domestics especially with some financial incentive packages and even with a PSO or two.
Problems remain viable operators do they not , we have Loganair, Blue Island and Eastern left and none has enough aircraft or crews to work existing schedules let alone prepare for growth.
Loganair has set their target on prioritising and building up their remedial slots at Windsor and Slough regional
Blue Island I think they work on the dartboard approach and are constantly switching and cancelling routes
And Eastern no comment.
So who do you suggest ?
It also wouldn’t improve provincial connectivity INTO the Manchester long haul product would it.
BTW read elsewhere that the JLA tin can terminal has structural issues almost as bad as pier B and that Peel aren’t interested; is this true ?
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I somewhat suggest this is playing in the background within MAG Group and that their current marketing teams have been diminished because alleged and potentially illegal cross selling
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I (opinion) expect the Manchester Team are sans deep leadership right now
Cargo was being handled via the East Midlands team. Stansted has its own problems with funding development and parent remains in a recovery process and in financial hock on T2 with known tarmac and parking ( airside) limitations.
I suggest and suspect Manchester remains in consolidation mode through to 2024 even 2025 .
No evidence but that rumour re Easy and domestics ( lack) fits plausibly with such a narrative .
Greenfinch I suppose Speke pick up the baton on domestics with some financial incentive packages and even with a PSO or two.
It wouldn’t however improve provincial connectivity INTO the Manchester long haul product through.
BTW read elsewhere that the JLA tin can terminal has structural issues almost as bad as pier B and that Peel aren’t interested; is this true ?
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I (opinion) expect the Manchester Team are sans deep leadership right now
Cargo was being handled via the East Midlands team. Stansted has its own problems with funding development and parent remains in a recovery process and in financial hock on T2 with known tarmac and parking ( airside) limitations.
I suggest and suspect Manchester remains in consolidation mode through to 2024 even 2025 .
No evidence but that rumour re Easy and domestics ( lack) fits plausibly with such a narrative .
Greenfinch I suppose Speke pick up the baton on domestics with some financial incentive packages and even with a PSO or two.
It wouldn’t however improve provincial connectivity INTO the Manchester long haul product through.
BTW read elsewhere that the JLA tin can terminal has structural issues almost as bad as pier B and that Peel aren’t interested; is this true ?
And the consolidators routinely offer fare bundles via what might seem odd combinations at times .
No doesn’t answer the second question posed you on the structural issues cladding etc….. ( I’ll wink here as I have an enquiry about that very issue on my desk )
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Prior to collapse of Flybe one Virgin and Emirates actually received some considerable feed from the regions indeed go back far enough and BAs New York service received feed from Southampton in particular
And the consolidators routinely offer fare bundles via what might seem odd combinations at times .
No doesn’t answer the second question posed you on the structural issues cladding etc….. ( I’ll wink here as I have an enquiry about that very issue on my desk )
And the consolidators routinely offer fare bundles via what might seem odd combinations at times .
No doesn’t answer the second question posed you on the structural issues cladding etc….. ( I’ll wink here as I have an enquiry about that very issue on my desk )
The works to the structural steelwork is extensive much concealed and therefore a structural risk
Now I am loath to quote to be honest as the last job cost me 165k for 120 days
These sorts of issues are actually pretty common and unlike Pier 2 at least there isn’t an asbestos issue .
Manchester had about a quarter of a million transfer passengers per year prior to COVID and Flybe collapse Not insignifiant
Indeed prior to the collapse of Thomas Cook Uk their flights were in code share with Condor with Lufthansa connections so Manchester can work as a hub with the right infrastructure
You don’t become a near 30 million pa airport with 40 operators without some levels of inward feed operations