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Do work for or are a contractor for OTIS, TYSSEN or KONE, Do you know how difficult it is to THEM to site survey, quote and deliver spares for custom machines ?
I’ll let you in to a little secret- I do ! ;Its up to 12 weeks from order and finalised manufacturing details - Yeap instant service and its all down to Chinese demand and parts supply !
Want to use someone else they will still have get the same parts sourced and approved risk assessed and LOLOR tested etc.....
Plus these
I’ll let you in to a little secret- I do ! ;Its up to 12 weeks from order and finalised manufacturing details - Yeap instant service and its all down to Chinese demand and parts supply !
Want to use someone else they will still have get the same parts sourced and approved risk assessed and LOLOR tested etc.....
Plus these
- BS EN 13015:2001+A1:2008 - This European standard covers maintenance for lifts and escalators and incorporates amendment 1 2008, Rules for maintenance instructions. This standard specifies the elements necessary for instructions and maintenance for new installed passenger lifts, goods passenger lifts, accessible goods only lifts, service lifts, escalators and passenger conveyors.
- ISO/DIS 25745-1 - This international standard is in response to the rapid increase in the consumption of energy on a worldwide basis. The standard provides a uniform method of measuring energy consumption of all lift products. = THIS IS THE IMPORTANT ONE PARTICULARLY AT MAG THOSE OLDER MACHINES FAIL ON SO MAG SWITCH THEM OFF !
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Do work for or are a contractor for OTIS, TYSSEN or KONE, Do you know how difficult it is to THEM to site survey, quote and deliver spares for custom machines ?
I’ll let you in to a little secret- I do ! ;Its up to 12 weeks from order and finalised manufacturing details - Yeap instant service and its all down to Chinese demand and parts supply !
Want to use someone else they will still have get the same parts sourced and approved risk assessed and LOLOR tested etc.....
Plus these
I’ll let you in to a little secret- I do ! ;Its up to 12 weeks from order and finalised manufacturing details - Yeap instant service and its all down to Chinese demand and parts supply !
Want to use someone else they will still have get the same parts sourced and approved risk assessed and LOLOR tested etc.....
Plus these
- BS EN 13015:2001+A1:2008 - This European standard covers maintenance for lifts and escalators and incorporates amendment 1 2008, Rules for maintenance instructions. This standard specifies the elements necessary for instructions and maintenance for new installed passenger lifts, goods passenger lifts, accessible goods only lifts, service lifts, escalators and passenger conveyors.
- ISO/DIS 25745-1 - This international standard is in response to the rapid increase in the consumption of energy on a worldwide basis. The standard provides a uniform method of measuring energy consumption of all lift products. = THIS IS THE IMPORTANT ONE PARTICULARLY AT MAG THOSE OLDER MACHINES FAIL ON SO MAG SWITCH THEM OFF !
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Oh and new doesn’t preclude issues.
Indeed KONE in particular has a number of software issues with controls known in the industry.
Your experience at MAG may be biased knowingly or otherwise.
Indeed KONE in particular has a number of software issues with controls known in the industry.
Your experience at MAG may be biased knowingly or otherwise.
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Its already subjected to FULL commercial disclosure and effectively a private business .
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As the years go by we appear to rely more and more on machinery that is designed to make life easier for us but which, unfortunately, has a short life span. I do understand that, for the elderly and infirm, it is important to get assistance when for example moving between T1 and The Station - having seen a gentleman struggling with his suitcase whilst also relying on a walking stick - and the days of old where a porter would assist are long gone, and this is where it's items such as travellators that are of help.
On that note I'll just say how grateful I am for my reasonable state of health and fitness.
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Ignoring the 1001 realities that put it into fantasy land, it’s not hard to imagine MAN (and most other airports in their position to be fair) running a completely different strategy if there was a rival airport 3 miles away that had similar accessibility to passengers, and a similar range of destinations. That would be competition! Heathrow and Gatwick aren’t competitors to that degree, but they are a lot closer to it than anything MAN experiences, which perhaps goes some way to explain the differing strategies they take.
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Originally posted by Curious Pax
Ignoring the 1001 realities that put it into fantasy land, it’s not hard to imagine MAN (and most other airports in their position to be fair) running a completely different strategy if there was a rival airport 3 miles away that had similar accessibility to passengers, and a similar range of destinations. That would be competition! Heathrow and Gatwick aren’t competitors to that degree, but they are a lot closer to it than anything MAN experiences, which perhaps goes some way to explain the differing strategies they take.
Ignoring the 1001 realities that put it into fantasy land, it’s not hard to imagine MAN (and most other airports in their position to be fair) running a completely different strategy if there was a rival airport 3 miles away that had similar accessibility to passengers, and a similar range of destinations. That would be competition! Heathrow and Gatwick aren’t competitors to that degree, but they are a lot closer to it than anything MAN experiences, which perhaps goes some way to explain the differing strategies they take.
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Having said that the airport is spending £1 billion on infrastructure and people are still unhappy.
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RHINO Considering T1 is being demolished after the completion of the TP (2024) there’s little point in spending a fortune on fixing it, it’s a case of put up and shut up until then. We can only hope (and I am confident it will happen) that the new T2 experience will be better than the current T1 & T2 infrastructure.
As for T3...don’t get me started...!!
As for T3...don’t get me started...!!
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No definite commitment to demolish T1- it's still a wish list item. Certainly won't be 2024. Blue Skylink buckets will be needed for many more years yet.
Aside from Government Airport Taxes- each MAN passenger pays £12.12 each as a Passenger Facility charge in addition to £6.25 per person for security screening. This applies whether you use a loco or a full fare outfit. Some airlines possibly have deals where this is not passed onto MAG in full. However, non the less in 2018 MAG made record profits and paid out record dividends to shareholders.
Aside from Government Airport Taxes- each MAN passenger pays £12.12 each as a Passenger Facility charge in addition to £6.25 per person for security screening. This applies whether you use a loco or a full fare outfit. Some airlines possibly have deals where this is not passed onto MAG in full. However, non the less in 2018 MAG made record profits and paid out record dividends to shareholders.
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RHINO Considering T1 is being demolished after the completion of the TP (2024) there’s little point in spending a fortune on fixing it, it’s a case of put up and shut up until then. We can only hope (and I am confident it will happen) that the new T2 experience will be better than the current T1 & T2 infrastructure.
As for T3...don’t get me started...!!
As for T3...don’t get me started...!!
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Maybe the parts they require need to be shipped from half way around the world, or even made to order. Perhaps the maintenance team has been directed to more urgent work.
You pay peanuts for air travel but expect the infrastructure to be operating like a private yacht with unlimited funds!
Get real!
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How do you know its incompetence?
Maybe the parts they require need to be shipped from half way around the world, or even made to order. Perhaps the maintenance team has been directed to more urgent work.
You pay peanuts for air travel but expect the infrastructure to be operating like a private yacht with unlimited funds!
Get real!
Maybe the parts they require need to be shipped from half way around the world, or even made to order. Perhaps the maintenance team has been directed to more urgent work.
You pay peanuts for air travel but expect the infrastructure to be operating like a private yacht with unlimited funds!
Get real!
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A significant proportion of MAN’s pax still pay considerably more than peanuts for the ‘pleasure’ of travelling through a facility that bills itself as the north’s gateway to the world. The current investment in T2 is welcome but a drop in the ocean of what the wider airport estate needs.
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I dont think its a lot to expect having escalators and travelators actually working.
If the components are hard to come by at short notice why not have spares in stock.?
Over the last few years I have travelled through dozens of airports all over the world and dont ever recall seeing any such installations closed.
If the components are hard to come by at short notice why not have spares in stock.?
Over the last few years I have travelled through dozens of airports all over the world and dont ever recall seeing any such installations closed.
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I'll be interested to see what response, apart from a brush off, I get from the airport's Customer Services director to my complaint about the escalators, lifts and travellators not working.
I'll let you know what excuses are given, but I agree 100pc with MAN777's comment about the need to hold spares if they keep breaking.
I'll let you know what excuses are given, but I agree 100pc with MAN777's comment about the need to hold spares if they keep breaking.
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