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Originally Posted by tws123
But by the same token we don't want to put all our eggs in the same
basket!
Competition is OK, so long as there is enough pax to go round, or like at BLK we have Manx2.Aer Arann and Jet2, all flying different routes..Easy have been good for SEN, for the time being I reckon Stobart would be better finding airlines interested in other routes that easy do not serve.
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Thomson and easyjet serve different types of passenger. I dont see the problem?
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Whatever happens it will be an interesting battle between the two. All I can say is that by having another operator at SEN such as Thomson, could lead to more destinations and different ones at that.
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could lead to more destinations and different ones at that.
..I know if BB put Thomson in direct competition with Jet2 on the Palma route at Blackpool in summer, I would not be best chuffed
To the same destination though, don't forget you can book flights only on the Thompson website.
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Just checked the OLT website and tickets for Dresden are on sale for the Christmas period (20th December 2012 to 6 January 2013) and then from March 23rd to March 28th 2013 daily, and Saarbrucken is also on sale from March 23rd to March 30th 2013 operating on Tues, Thurs and Sat.
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Originally Posted by pug
Yes you can, but they wont be after those people. I think you know
that...
Not saying that will happen, but with a resurgent SEN due to Easy, maybe Stobart has miscalculated on this one.
The danger is that there is not enough pax to serve more than one airline on the Palma route.
Then again, if there is - Then Stobarts gamble will have paid of and some, I hope that is the case. The gamble is, if Thomson stands on Easys toes IMO.
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Originally Posted by Barling Magna
Does a 717 have the range to get to Corfu from SEN....?
Boeing 717 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While Corfu is just 1,233 miles.
Source - Internet.
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Yes - A 717 has a range of 2, 370.5311 miles.
Boeing 717 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While Corfu is just 1,233 miles.
Source - Internet.
Boeing 717 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While Corfu is just 1,233 miles.
Source - Internet.
Payload-range chart is on page 23 here, BTW, if you want to get on it. The Volotea aircraft are 114,000 lb MTOW, I believe.
Last edited by Cyrano; 23rd Nov 2012 at 21:11.
North West, fair point, but they are certainly aiming to head that way.
My point still stands however, that easyjet and Thomson will likely be after different types of customer.
My point still stands however, that easyjet and Thomson will likely be after different types of customer.
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Ouch - I have edited my post to get rid on that typo. well sloppy copy and pasting.
I took the metric range from Wikipedia and converted to miles...Yep point taken on 'payload restricted' - Would reach Corfu though.
Ouch - I have edited my post to get rid on that typo. well sloppy copy and pasting.
I took the metric range from Wikipedia and converted to miles...Yep point taken on 'payload restricted' - Would reach Corfu though.
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perhaps Thomson at SEN with a 717 might look at Pisa, Naples, Sardinia, Croatian coast or Menorca ?
And why are we assuming any future routes to be flown by 717? Surely if things bode well here you'd have more chance of seeing such routings as STN-CFU-SEN-CFU-STN with their own metal (if such a route is even possible).
Also worth bearing in mind that Thomson is a tour operator selling 'package holidays' above just flight only. So comparing their route like for like with the EZY service is pretty pointless in my opinion.
This discussion on the capabilities of the Volotea B 717 serves to highlight the difficulties inherent in making this sort of assessment without access to source material.
The B717 like other modern designs comes in a variety of weight variants. There are two engine thrust level variants available at 18500lbs and 21000 lbs. It is the engine thrust rating above all else that will determine payload/range performance from a limiting runway such as at SEN.
It looks to me that the basic aircraft (18500lb thrust) would not achieve SEN-PMI nonstop with 125 pax and baggage due to runway performance, at least not for scheduleplanning purposes. The 21000lb thrust High Gross Weight (HGW) aircraft would be almost unrestricted at SEN up to the maximum weight of this variant of 121000lbs (54900kgs)so it must be this variant they are proposing to use for SEN-PMI. On the other hand the MTOW quoted by Cyrano (114000/51800kgs) suggests a weight appropriate to the basic version. Of course it could be the Volotea aircraft is really the HGW version with MTOW deliberately restricted to reduce landing and en route charges, a common airline practice.
So, assuming the latter case, SEN-PMI looks a reasonable maximum full payload distance for planning purposes. Any greater range would require a higher certificated MTOW which could add several hundred miles to range radius, and that would then encompass Corfu Malta and further. But we really need more comprehensive data on the specification of the Volotea B717 before speculating on what other routes might be possible.
The B717 like other modern designs comes in a variety of weight variants. There are two engine thrust level variants available at 18500lbs and 21000 lbs. It is the engine thrust rating above all else that will determine payload/range performance from a limiting runway such as at SEN.
It looks to me that the basic aircraft (18500lb thrust) would not achieve SEN-PMI nonstop with 125 pax and baggage due to runway performance, at least not for scheduleplanning purposes. The 21000lb thrust High Gross Weight (HGW) aircraft would be almost unrestricted at SEN up to the maximum weight of this variant of 121000lbs (54900kgs)so it must be this variant they are proposing to use for SEN-PMI. On the other hand the MTOW quoted by Cyrano (114000/51800kgs) suggests a weight appropriate to the basic version. Of course it could be the Volotea aircraft is really the HGW version with MTOW deliberately restricted to reduce landing and en route charges, a common airline practice.
So, assuming the latter case, SEN-PMI looks a reasonable maximum full payload distance for planning purposes. Any greater range would require a higher certificated MTOW which could add several hundred miles to range radius, and that would then encompass Corfu Malta and further. But we really need more comprehensive data on the specification of the Volotea B717 before speculating on what other routes might be possible.
Last edited by Tagron; 24th Nov 2012 at 01:51.
According to the Spanish civil register the Volotea B717s are powered by BR715-C1-30 engines of 21,000lb thrust.
I think we can probably put this "will they be payload limited at SEN" argument to bed as it appears that they won't be, even at ISA +15.
I think we can probably put this "will they be payload limited at SEN" argument to bed as it appears that they won't be, even at ISA +15.