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Unknown Press Release
Well I strongly believe that it is Join! related since an email I received a few weeks back mention a press release at the end of October which is still to materialise, so on that basis I'm guessing its that announcement only later than expected.
We'll just have to be patient and wait and see, but whoever it is, i'm sure we can all agree it'll be worth the wait!
We'll just have to be patient and wait and see, but whoever it is, i'm sure we can all agree it'll be worth the wait!
Last edited by tws123; 14th Nov 2012 at 17:21.
CAA stats
October's provisional stats are out.
Haven't looked at Easyjet routes but assume the load factors are healthy and around 75% given past performance.
The giggle factor comes in for OLT. Counting both outward and return passengers on a nominally 100 seat aircraft, OLT managed 150 pax on the Saarbrucken route and 396 on the Dresden route. Assuming this figure counts only flown passengers and excludes cancellations, this puts the load factor for both routes below 20%
Haven't looked at Easyjet routes but assume the load factors are healthy and around 75% given past performance.
The giggle factor comes in for OLT. Counting both outward and return passengers on a nominally 100 seat aircraft, OLT managed 150 pax on the Saarbrucken route and 396 on the Dresden route. Assuming this figure counts only flown passengers and excludes cancellations, this puts the load factor for both routes below 20%
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I make that 14.2 pax per flight for Dresden and 19.78 for Saarbrucken (it should be 178 for Saarbrucken as that's where the 28 from Stuttgart should have come in from).
I guess the big shock is Saarbrucken flights turned out to be 35% busier than Dresden, a far more established destination. Will they return at Christmas I wonder?!
I guess the big shock is Saarbrucken flights turned out to be 35% busier than Dresden, a far more established destination. Will they return at Christmas I wonder?!
Can I just make two genuine enquiries of you please?
1) Have you visited or used SEN this year?
2) A question that I asked on the LTN thread but to which I never received a reply:
How long on average does it take to get from aircraft door to the M1, assuming one is parked in the Long Stay car park? Let's assume you have only hand baggage.
1) Have you visited or used SEN this year?
2) A question that I asked on the LTN thread but to which I never received a reply:
How long on average does it take to get from aircraft door to the M1, assuming one is parked in the Long Stay car park? Let's assume you have only hand baggage.
2/ I would say at best around 25 to 30 minutes. At worse on a bad day I would say it could be an hour but that is with or without luggage as there is not much difference as the queue is at immigration so the luggage is then waiting.
That time includes maybe 6 or 7 minutes to get from the back of the airport to the M1 on a good day. The M1 is around 2 miles from the airport via a duel carriageway.
Luton can only dream of the times it can take passengers to pass though Southend’s terminal but delays passing through immigration are beyond the airports control. This could become an issue for Southend as passenger numbers increase if the government doesn’t staff boarder control with enough personnel.
I would also say that most long stay passengers don't use Luton's long term car park but use third party suppliers. I see that Southend also has these third party car park companies so passengers will in both cases be bussed away from the airport. This could cost Stobart a lot of money which is money lost for all the hard work that has been put into the airport.
Last edited by LTNman; 14th Nov 2012 at 20:06.
My turn to ask a few questions:
1/ Does easyjet use taxiway Charlie?
2/ What sort of gap (distance and time) is needed between landing easyjet aircraft when runway 24 is used?
3/ What sort of time gap is needed between 06 departures to allow for the backtrack?
4/ Can easyjet make the C1 turn off when landing on runway 24 or do all aircraft need to backtrack?
5/ When turning around on the runway after landing do easyjet always go to the turning circle at the end of the runway or do they do a 180 on the runway?
5/ Is there room to extend the taxiway so it runs parallel to the runway?
6/ Is Taxiway B used these days?
7/ 2020 is the target for 2 million passengers. Is that also the capacity of the terminal when expanded next year?
Thanks
1/ Does easyjet use taxiway Charlie?
2/ What sort of gap (distance and time) is needed between landing easyjet aircraft when runway 24 is used?
3/ What sort of time gap is needed between 06 departures to allow for the backtrack?
4/ Can easyjet make the C1 turn off when landing on runway 24 or do all aircraft need to backtrack?
5/ When turning around on the runway after landing do easyjet always go to the turning circle at the end of the runway or do they do a 180 on the runway?
5/ Is there room to extend the taxiway so it runs parallel to the runway?
6/ Is Taxiway B used these days?
7/ 2020 is the target for 2 million passengers. Is that also the capacity of the terminal when expanded next year?
Thanks
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1.Taxiway 'C' is usuable for a/c up to ATR size currently, due to some 'bad ground.' It is NOTAM'D but dont know why its taken them 6+ months to repair.
2.On 24 arrivals I have seen 2x Easy's arrive within 5mins, occassionally hear first landing to be told to expedife backtrack due to traffic on finals, the guys at ATC seem to have this well sorted.
3.Similarly on 06 deps there is a 5 mins gap I would say, its a bit harder with Taxiway C u/s as departing 319's have to wait at hold B for enter + backtrack.
4. Irrelavent whils C is unavailable to 319's
5. no, and I dont think its necessary, its not that much of a delay.
6. Taxiway B is used for virtually all 06 departures and most 06 arivals are leaving at B, similarly backtracking landing on 24 clear at B
7. Dont know, that info may be on the website tho.
1.Taxiway 'C' is usuable for a/c up to ATR size currently, due to some 'bad ground.' It is NOTAM'D but dont know why its taken them 6+ months to repair.
2.On 24 arrivals I have seen 2x Easy's arrive within 5mins, occassionally hear first landing to be told to expedife backtrack due to traffic on finals, the guys at ATC seem to have this well sorted.
3.Similarly on 06 deps there is a 5 mins gap I would say, its a bit harder with Taxiway C u/s as departing 319's have to wait at hold B for enter + backtrack.
4. Irrelavent whils C is unavailable to 319's
5. no, and I dont think its necessary, its not that much of a delay.
6. Taxiway B is used for virtually all 06 departures and most 06 arivals are leaving at B, similarly backtracking landing on 24 clear at B
7. Dont know, that info may be on the website tho.
Thanks to compton3bravo and LTNman for the replies.
So from disembarking LTN to the M25 would be in the region of 40-45 minutes by road at best. That would compare with about 45 minutes at SEN so not much difference then. Obviously it's greatly variable at both places depending on various factors but an interesting baseline time.
Regarding Stobart losing revenue to outside car parking operations, I'm sure it's something they have their eye on. A week's parking at SEN is £45 when booked in advance and the main outside operator advertises £40 per week and for that you have to drive to and find their car park. With all the SEN car parks being within a couple of minutes walk I for one wouldn't bother with saving such a small amount.
By the way, the anticipated airline Press Release has been delayed by a few days for tactical reasons.
So from disembarking LTN to the M25 would be in the region of 40-45 minutes by road at best. That would compare with about 45 minutes at SEN so not much difference then. Obviously it's greatly variable at both places depending on various factors but an interesting baseline time.
Regarding Stobart losing revenue to outside car parking operations, I'm sure it's something they have their eye on. A week's parking at SEN is £45 when booked in advance and the main outside operator advertises £40 per week and for that you have to drive to and find their car park. With all the SEN car parks being within a couple of minutes walk I for one wouldn't bother with saving such a small amount.
By the way, the anticipated airline Press Release has been delayed by a few days for tactical reasons.
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No more unlucky than other airports.
BBC News - Heathrow and London City Airport flights hit by fog
Generally Southend does not suffer from thick fog.
BBC News - Heathrow and London City Airport flights hit by fog
Generally Southend does not suffer from thick fog.
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Fog
The fog has totally lifted in the past 15 minutes so should be back to normal soon, think the airport has just been unlucky of late as hardly ever get fog in Southend from memory.
Meet the MD the other day at a clients AGM were he was doing a presentation, came across really well and the thing that struck me the most was he has a geninue love of airports and planes and not just a suit.
He seemed very confident about the future prospects and the relationship with Easyjet without going into detail.
Meet the MD the other day at a clients AGM were he was doing a presentation, came across really well and the thing that struck me the most was he has a geninue love of airports and planes and not just a suit.
He seemed very confident about the future prospects and the relationship with Easyjet without going into detail.
So from disembarking LTN to the M25 would be in the region of 40-45 minutes by road at best.
Last edited by LTNman; 15th Nov 2012 at 12:57.
I fear there are some unrealistic expectations of SEN's weather record being promoted on this thread. Like any other Southern England airport, SEN can suffer from radiation fogs and on occasion from coastal advection fogs which do not affect airports further inland. It may well be that its overall average is better than other UKairports,(with the clear exception of Prestwick which may justifiably describe itself as fog free) but the fact of life is there will be occasions every year when RVR falls below Cat 1 landing minima and remains so for some time. In this event diversions and delays are to be expected.
I have no doubt that airlines have fully taken into account SEN's actual weather record and the non-availability of Cat 3, assuming their aircraft are Cat 3 capable, before making the decision to use SEN.
I have no doubt that airlines have fully taken into account SEN's actual weather record and the non-availability of Cat 3, assuming their aircraft are Cat 3 capable, before making the decision to use SEN.