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Originally Posted by niknak
Luton takes at least 2 hours, if not more, due to the last 30 miles of the trip.
Sorry if it sounds stupid...
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Originally Posted by ebenezer
Wow! It's only taken SEVEN years of negotiation, discussion and debate. The timescale to achieve this small airspace improvement is outrageous, the CAA is a laughing stock and the process is an utter disgrace - cf. the Heathrow Terminal 5 Inquiry.
This from an anti Luton website
"Originally built as a post-WW2 airfield, the topography of Luton makes a poor site for an airport, being on a hill prone to cloud, fog and snow, surrounded by dangerous steep valleys which make pilots understandably concerned in the event of landing difficulties. It should not be developed as there is insufficient space to construct an airport of the desired size"
Or this photo from another website about a village 4 miles away http://www.slipend.co.uk/ That A380 seems a bit low to me.
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I don't dispute anyone's right to complain about aircraft noise; I use to deal with them in a former life and most were quite reasonable about it. However organisations publishing inaccurate and emotive claptrap like that plus the silly photo of the A380 doesn't do them any favours at all. But there again I suppose some people believe them. 
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Photos (and other wildly inaccurate claims) such as the Airbus A380 pic by one "D. Kingston" actually do LLAO and LTN a favour because the counter arguments are damaged by such rubbish. Statements such as "Originally built as a post-WW2 airfield..." also show poor research and again, bolster LTN's case because the 'opposition' is shown to be basing its arguments on floored assumptions and dodgy data.
Whilst "...being on a hill prone to cloud, fog and snow, surrounded by dangerous steep valleys" may well create a challenge in some weather conditions (cf. Bristol, Biggin Hill & Leeds/Bradford - and even East Midlands which sits at 310 feet) it's arguably no worse than having your approaches over miles of densely populated urban areas that include high-rise flats and office blocks (e.g. Heathrow's 27s, Manchester's 24s, Birmingham's 15, etc, etc).
So let 'em rant - the bangs you can hear aren't cars backfiring but the idiots shooting themselves in the feet...
Whilst "...being on a hill prone to cloud, fog and snow, surrounded by dangerous steep valleys" may well create a challenge in some weather conditions (cf. Bristol, Biggin Hill & Leeds/Bradford - and even East Midlands which sits at 310 feet) it's arguably no worse than having your approaches over miles of densely populated urban areas that include high-rise flats and office blocks (e.g. Heathrow's 27s, Manchester's 24s, Birmingham's 15, etc, etc).
So let 'em rant - the bangs you can hear aren't cars backfiring but the idiots shooting themselves in the feet...
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Rumour has it that Harrods were going to have much more use of the cargo apron and releasing all the south stands for commercial passenger flights, this would be an increase of 4-5 stands.
There has however, been a resurgence in cargo interest driven by DHL, well their hauliers actually, claiming that Luton offers a far more attractive fast turn around for their cargo than some other airports. MNG cannot wait to return from Gatwick once the runway has been reconstructed.
This has caused a bit of a dilemma in relation to parking for S06 as any additional planned development will not be completed in time?
How much longer can the Biz Jets operate without the need for airport slots, but then again, which makes more money for ACDL? My guess is that as no income is directed toward the Town Hall for Exec movements, the airport operator is facing quite a big dilemma?
There has however, been a resurgence in cargo interest driven by DHL, well their hauliers actually, claiming that Luton offers a far more attractive fast turn around for their cargo than some other airports. MNG cannot wait to return from Gatwick once the runway has been reconstructed.
This has caused a bit of a dilemma in relation to parking for S06 as any additional planned development will not be completed in time?
How much longer can the Biz Jets operate without the need for airport slots, but then again, which makes more money for ACDL? My guess is that as no income is directed toward the Town Hall for Exec movements, the airport operator is facing quite a big dilemma?
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The cunning plan for Harrods was to create an additional entrance/exit at the southwest end of the current Cargo Apron (onto Taxiway Echo) and to alter the stand layout whereby the cargo shed was demolished (as LLAO's cargo business was dwindling) and the apron area extended northwards to the create a new boundary before the existing road. More stands would have been created facing roughly west. The Police Air Wing would also have relocated to its new apron/hangar area on the eastern side of the airfield. However, the resurgence of cargo interest has caused yet another re-think. Unfortunately, LLAO desperately needs either the South Apron stands or a new six-stand Southeast Apron, and if rumours are to be believed, it needs the additional stands by the Spring of 2007.
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How much longer can the Biz Jets operate without the need for airport slots, but then again, which makes more money for ACDL? My guess is that as no income is directed toward the Town Hall for Exec movements, the airport operator is facing quite a big dilemma?
The advantage for the airport operator with regard to biz jet movements is that they don’t need to invest any money as the market grows as investment is down to the FBO’s.
The cunning plan for Harrods was to create an additional entrance/exit at the southwest end of the current Cargo Apron (onto Taxiway Echo)
So what is stopping Harrods putting in a planning application now to increase the size of the apron outside their hangar? I can’t see the point of the airport putting in just one application which covers all of the phase one development plans if it is holding up the release of the south stands.
As for Cargo, how much income does a cargo aircraft generate that sits on the ramp for 20 hours at a time?
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Heard today a bit more on the el al rumour going on, more visitors from heathrow were in the airport today apparently looking around the terminal because they are starting flights to Luton soon, if its not true why are el al staff visting Luton? Interesting stuff
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New Question: On the main 'http://www.london-luton.co.uk/en/' site (no link) they state that Zagreb is a destination but I cannot find which carrier serves it. Which part of the site is out of date??!!
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If this is old news then apologies. A Swedish newspaper is reporting that Ryanair is to end services from Luton to Vasteras, near Stockholm http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=3289&date=20060315
If true would this be the 3rd Luton route Ryanair has chopped?
If true would this be the 3rd Luton route Ryanair has chopped?
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It would be the fourth route to finish. Dinard went back to STN & Venice Treviso finished last month. Brest & Knock have been added.
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So Ryanair introduce 8 new routes from Luton last year and it looks like 4 of those original routes have or will end. Looking at Ryanair’s website Luton is top of the page on its destinations page so all would be passengers see Luton first yet there appears to be a problem in sustaining routes.
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I wouldn't be too concerned about the loss of Vasteras. It's to do with a new Swedish tax. Of course loads may be a factor but FR are making a point to the Swedish Government; dont introduce new flight taxes. LTN, along with Vasteras (and also Malmo) have been caught up in this and lost out.
Hopefully FR will replace it with another route or increased frequencies to an existing destination
Hopefully FR will replace it with another route or increased frequencies to an existing destination