LUTON

[King Pong]

Re: LUTON

An increase from the present 60 to 80/85 check-in desks can be expected.

The extension can’t go beyond the existing drop off area as there would be no room for the road that heads for easyland or the car park

[CAP493]

Re: LUTON

The extension can’t go beyond the existing drop off area as there would be no room for the road that heads for easyLand or the car park

Correct - and the intention is to create a 'southeast' apron of six wide-body aircraft stands i.e. a mirror image of the existing East Apron, where the current short-term car park is situated, served by a new pier - Pier 'B'. The Harrods apron (Stand 62) will be doubled in size with a southwards extension and additional link onto Taxiway Delta, releasing the existing South Apron stands for airline use and served by another new pier linked to the terminal building extension, i.e. Pier 'C'.

Interesting that LLAO has earmarked £1m for improvements to the central terminal road system, but surely it can't cost that much to reduce the size of the ridiculously large central terminal area roundabout and dual the road under the taxiway bridge up to/from the Ibis Hotel roundabout??

[Powerjet1]

Re: LUTON

With Aer Arran starting a 6 x weekly LTN-LRT in a couple of months, does anyone know if this is to be operated with a LTN based airframe, as has been suggested in the past ?. If so, the 0900 departure ex LTN would appear quite late for a first flight of the day. Alternatively, could the flight be operated by a non-based airframe, maybe arriving early morning, say 0830, from a new, yet to be announced destination such as ORK. Also with the arrival back into LTN from LRT at 1645, an evening departure at say 1715/30 from LTN slots in quite nicely.

As it stands at the moment, it certainly looks like at least one, possibly two new destinations ex LTN could yet be announced by AA in the coming weeks. JER has been mentioned but I doubt it would happen. Anyone have more info ?.

[LTNman]

Re: LUTON

Interesting that LLAO has earmarked £1m for improvements to the central terminal road system, but surely it can't cost that much to reduce the size of the ridiculously large central terminal area roundabout and dual the road under the taxiway bridge up to/from the Ibis Hotel roundabout??

Normally the bigger the roundabout the more traffic it can handle. Don’t think there is any intention to dual the road from the terminal to the Ibis. The unused section of the road tunnel was reserved for some sort of rail link. This would fit in with the airports 2012 plans for a tracked transit system from the station. It will be interesting to see how the train crosses the existing road that leads to easyland and the new proposed short term car park. My guess is that a tunnel will be dug under the road and that the station will remain below ground level.

Anyway surely post 2012 when the new interchange is built in the mid term car park all passenger parking will be taken out of the central area?

Correct - and the intention is to create a 'southeast' apron of six wide-body aircraft stands i.e. a mirror image of the existing East Apron, where the current short-term car park is situated, served by a new pier - Pier 'B'. The Harrods apron (Stand 62) will be doubled in size with a southwards extension and additional link onto Taxiway Delta, releasing the existing South Apron stands for airline use and served by another new pier linked to the terminal building extension, i.e. Pier 'C'.

So where will the short term car park actually go. With pier C filling in the gap between the south stands and the new apron the only piece of land I can think of is a narrow strip of land which is occupied today by easyland HQ

[CAP493]

Re: LUTON

This would fit in with the airports 2012 plans for a tracked transit system from the station. It will be interesting to see how the train crosses the existing road that leads to easyland and the new proposed short term car park.

The proposed tracked transit system is planned to route to a new transport interchange that will be located south of the existing taxiway road bridge. From that interchange - which is supposed to contain check-in facilities - both terminals will be connected by moving walkways. The new South Terminal road system is designed to be restricted to staff, service vehicles and emergency services vehicles, the only 'public' road access being for disabled passengers. All part of the 'green' approach to the project i.e. reducing the impact of cars being driven/parked in the terminal areas.

The same principle will be applied to what will become the North Terminal.

The civil engineering works associated with the proposed airport road system changes required by Project 2030 are substantial but then of course, Abertis builds roads on the Continent and so has the necessary expertise and experience to undertake such a project. What Abertis (ACDL) is more likely to struggle with is the inertia of the of the local borough and county councils, the bureaucratic UK planning system and the DfT's apparent inability to think in a joined-up fashion.

[King Pong]

Re: LUTON

From that interchange - which is supposed to contain check-in facilities - both terminals will be connected by moving walkways

Quote from the airport’s document 2030


"A tracked transit system from LAPS into the airport will be promoted and progressed in the near future, and will help to minimise the impact of airport growth on the highway network. It will provide a fast and efficient link to both the north and south terminals. It will be a segregated system, so it will not use up valuable space on the main carriageway. The new south terminal will be accessed via a tunnel under the existing runway, which will connect to a new reception centre built on the site of the existing mid term car park”


No mention of walkways here. Also the airport map shows two tracked transit systems heading to each terminal from the reception center.

[LTNman]

Re: LUTON

http://www.abertis.com/en/noticies.php?noticia_id=688

Includes the following paragraph:

The first phase of the Master Plan, which will begin to be negotiated at the beginning of 2006, plans to improve the use of the existing capacity, which includes the construction of new docking platforms for aircraft, the enlargement of the passenger terminal and associated embarkation areas, as well as a car park on different levels and enlargements of the parallel runway. If the Master Plan is approved, the airport intends to have most of this work finished by the end of 2007.

Docking platforms, what’s that all about?

[CAP493]

Re: LUTON

It will provide a fast and efficient link to both the north and south terminals.

If there is an intention to build a southeast apron plus two additional piers, there's insufficient space to run the tracked system into the Central Terminal Area i.e. beyond the existing taxiway/road bridge (under which there is provision) without severely restricting the road access. Whilst LLAO's aim to facilitate more use of public transport is laudable, the reality is that a majority of passengers will still wish to use their private cars simply because the east/west public transport links at LTN are inadequate.

Can't see it happening this side of Christmas.

2012.

[King Pong]

Re: LUTON

OK this is just me thinking aloud and maybe fantasizing based on available 2012 information and 2012 maps.

Come 2012 passengers arriving by car will either use the short term car park which will by then be located in the mid term car park or be dropped off at the interchange building which will be located behind the old fire station. From there they will board one of two rapid transit driverless trains to either the north of south terminals. The driverless trains will have started their journey from Parkway with a stop at the interchange to pick up car and coach passengers.

Passenger access to the new south terminal and the existing north terminal will be by driverless train only with the existing road tunnel used by airport staff only thus dramatically cutting down traffic to the central area. The multi story car park that will be built in 2007 as a temporary short-term car park will become a staff car park replacing the existing staff car park by easyland that will close in 2007. This will be welcomed by staff who for 4 years will have been bussed to the side of the cargo centre which became additional staff parking.

With the bus and coach station also relocated to the mid term car park the train will end its journey in what is now the existing coach station. Staff cars heading for the multi story car park will stay clear of the track by using a new road that will swing around the control tower which will have closed by then and cross the track by the existing bridge. Taxiway Alpha will have been relocated slightly to allow room for the road.

There, sorted!

[King Pong]

Re: LUTON

Just been reading page 64 of the airports 2030 document which brings up some interesting facts about the capacity of the existing terminal.


2005 Terminal capacity of 11–12 mppa. Existing taxiway system causing delays. Stand capacity reached. CTA congested
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2010 Phase 1 terminal extension to 14–15 mppa, though congested in some areas. Parallel taxiway extension improves runway capacity to circa15 mppa, though still some delays. CTA improved to accomodate circa15 mppa.

So there you have it. The existing terminal can handle up to 12m passengers, the extension will increase that to 15 million.

[Buster the Bear]

Re: LUTON

powerjet1, I have just found this on the web, so Arann will need airports to fly their new planes from:

Aer Arann chief to invest €30m in fleet expansion

15 January 2006 By Laura Noonan
The chief executive of Aer Arann will invest €30 million more in the airline to help finance the purchase of €150 million worth of planes this year.

Padraig O Ceidigh told The Sunday Business Post that he could “get access to funds in the region of €30 million'‘ to invest in the airline's expansion. Aer Arann is nearing the end of talks with aircraft manufacturers ATR and Bombardier about the purchase of ten new planes.

The company has already spoken to several banks about financing the remaining €120 million and it is understood that adequate finance is available. O Ceidigh said a deal on the planes would be done in the next two months.

[GOLF-INDIA BRAVO]

Re: LUTON

I think Aer Arann are lookig at latest version of ATR72 this week

G-I-B

[LGS6753]

Re: LUTON

The phrase 'docking platforms' quoted by LTNman is from an Abertis document. looking at some of the other phraseology, it seems to have either been translated into English or written by someone whose first language is not English.
What do they call piers in Spanish?

[Powerjet1]

Ryan flights between LTN-DUB down to 2 flights a day, on certain days of the week during late Jan & Feb.

[Powerjet1]

There appears to be NO ryan flight departures tomorrow morning at all from LTN. What is going on ?.

[Buster the Bear]

Crew run out of their annual 900 hours, or a sign of things to come?

Ryanair used a Monarch A320 last Jan to infill for reasons my bear brain has forgotten?

[bacardi walla]

I've just posted this on a similar thread....

Remember FR blaming Boeing for flight cancellations due to late delivery of aircraft? Well I doubt it's that. More likely to be no flight deck crew available as they are all up on hours. It normally kicks in this time of year with FR but they have a culture of "cross the bridge when we get to it"......

FR cancelling annual leave won't help them either.......

[OLNEY 1 BRAVO]

Monarch A320

Actually Buster, Ryanair subbed the Monarch A320 from 15th March to 28th March last year for Luton operations. They also used an A321 for a few days in addition.

January ... March ... I guess you were hibernating anyway!!!!

[Powerjet1]

I heard this line might be working on a small French regional airline flying ATR42’s from deepest France so watch this space

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Air Turquoise seem to have a daily ATR42 starting Reims-London on 27 February. Unfortunately they do not seem to specify the London terminus. Probably going into STN.

[LTNman]

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All depends if BAA gives this airline and its minnow sized aircraft valuable slots that could be used by a larger aircraft. Remember Luton will always pick up what BAA doesn’t want and hail it as a big success.

LTN December stats

ATM’s 6059 up 16.8%
ATM’s for 2005 75495 up 17.5%

Passengers 655,344 up 12.9%
Passengers for 2005 9,134,822 up 21.5%