bmi confirms Riyadh start
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Quote: YoungPaul
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If you really think the profitability of a longhaul flight has anything to do with how many people sit in economy then you have another think coming.
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Oh ye of clever quick and not well thought out reply's:
You have obviousely missed the point in my previous post perhaps you should have taken a little more time to think about it.The profitability is mirrored in how many 'bums on seats' you have and also in the levels at which the fares were sold. My guess is that most booked well in advance so had the 'best' fares, i.e cheapest fares.
For an A330 that holds 244 passengers, thats 24 in business, 48 in Premium Economy and 172 in Economy to be exact.... a t.o.b of 53 passengers who ALL sat in economy is hardly going to make a profit unless the loads pick up.
And for the record YoungPaul, profitability would start at the front of the aircraft and not the back, C,D,J,I,R business fares being the highest from left to right! It would'nt matter if economy was empty, if business was full e.g all 24 seats taken by full C, D and J passengers ( 'I' being redemption fares and 'R' Duty Travel) the flight would be in profit!
Agent x has spoken!
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If you really think the profitability of a longhaul flight has anything to do with how many people sit in economy then you have another think coming.
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Oh ye of clever quick and not well thought out reply's:
You have obviousely missed the point in my previous post perhaps you should have taken a little more time to think about it.The profitability is mirrored in how many 'bums on seats' you have and also in the levels at which the fares were sold. My guess is that most booked well in advance so had the 'best' fares, i.e cheapest fares.
For an A330 that holds 244 passengers, thats 24 in business, 48 in Premium Economy and 172 in Economy to be exact.... a t.o.b of 53 passengers who ALL sat in economy is hardly going to make a profit unless the loads pick up.
And for the record YoungPaul, profitability would start at the front of the aircraft and not the back, C,D,J,I,R business fares being the highest from left to right! It would'nt matter if economy was empty, if business was full e.g all 24 seats taken by full C, D and J passengers ( 'I' being redemption fares and 'R' Duty Travel) the flight would be in profit!
Agent x has spoken!
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easy with the trigger fingers. I think you are actually singing from the same hymnbook. X leaving out that there was 53 was the tob rather than just the Y figure did leave some room for interpretation.
easy with the trigger fingers. I think you are actually singing from the same hymnbook. X leaving out that there was 53 was the tob rather than just the Y figure did leave some room for interpretation.
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Just jumping to agent xs' defence, he does know how much each pax paid and trust me that flight is not in profit or anything even approching it! As I've said before lets hope the loads pick up when it goes daily.
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Just curious.....but will the female crew,flight deck and cabin, encounter any special problems in KSA? How do other carriers deal with the particular brand of chauvinism rampant out there?
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All I was saying was that having 50 people in economy wasn't a necessary or sufficient indicator that a flight was making a loss - even on a 24/48/172 config aircraft - on N. Atlantic routes, if 20/24 were occupied at the front, the rest of the seats would be "don't care"s. Having ONLY 50 people in economy of course would make a loss - and had you said that, I wouldn't have replied as I did.
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I am sorry Jordon D, the flights I have operated (LHR-BOM-LHR) on with bmi are not full. Half full or even a third full....
