Liverpool -- READ the stickies!!!!!!!

[dwlpl]

Given the above is correct (re seat capacity) this is the number of seats available PER WEEK:

LIVERPOOL
Rome FR = 1323
Milan FR = 1323
Pisa FR = 1323
Venice FR = 1323
TOTAL = 5292

MAN
Rome BA = 770
Milan BA = 954, AZ = 2100
Pisa BA = 698
Venice BA = 159
Naples MON = 1260
TOTAL = 5941

Liverpool totals prior to 28th Jan 2005 was nil, also there is a whisper that Naples will be a FR base in the future and will be linked to Liverpool.

[Ringwayman]

don't forget daily Pisa and Venice by Jet2, making an additional 2072 seats to MAN per week (revised total = 8013)

[GOLF-INDIA BRAVO]

Why should Alitalia pull one with the loads they are getting, that is why they are putting a larger aircraft on

G-I-B

[Caslance]

Ahem..... Alitalia operate the 126 pax A319 into MAN at the moment.

They're replacing it with the MD80 with 131 to 150 seats, depending on configuration.

That's an increase in capacity, albeit a small one.

There are simply more available seats between MAN and Italy than there are between LPL and Italy - fact. MAN is the larger of the two airports and is served by many more operators than LPL so this is not surprising.

Seeing as both are dwarfed by the available seats between LHR and LGW and Italy, let's keep things in perspective, eh?

[dwlpl]

Considering that Liverpool, less than one month ago, had zero seats available to Italy, the airport is doing very well to have over 5000 seats available per week in another 2 months time.

[Mouser]

Lets see what reasons I could come up with for them to pull one


" I know! Alitalia is on it's knee's, skint, bust.
Hang on! just thougth of another, Ryanair.
What about the 184 bod's that flew into LPL yesterday
they could have used Alitalia but didn't they chose Ryanair."

[Caslance]

Yes, Mouser.

Another reasonable scenario would see Alitalia millking the route for all it's worth because they're making money on it.

If they were competing head-to-head and point-to-point with Ryanair it might be different. But they're not.

And that still leaves the Jet2 flights that dwlpl overlooked.

Anyway, all this MAN vs LPL stuff is silly - traffic at both is expanding year on year, to the benefit of the whole North West and further afield, too.

[dwlpl]

..... as you will have seen in this mini-thread, my first post did not omit Jet2 but I forgot in my second post to include them, something that Ringwayman corrected before I could do so.

Re Alitalia, whats their past performance like at MAN. I seem to remember there schedules have disappeared on a number of occasions in the past.

[Caslance]

Seems to be pretty solid this time round, dwlpl.

The aircraft type was changed to the Emb170 for a short while last summer, but this had nothing to do with low pax figures and everything to do with the A319s being needed at home at the peak of the Italian holiday season.

The fact that many of the Emb170 flights were "doubled up" with an Emb145 speaks for itself, I think.

On at least one occasion recently, the A319 has been substituted with an A320.

All in all, the route seems healthy.

[Mouser]

What about the 184 pax into LPL paying lo-cost fares on Ryanair's first flight, there's no" it's early days" here straight in five empty seats only, this is the first real fight Alitalia/BA have had on this route. Choose a nice shinny 737-800 at lo-cost, or through the nose fares on a scruffy MD80 or even worse an RJ100 that might just get up to cruise altitude (27000ft) before we start to desend.

[Caslance]

Yes, whatever, Mouser.

It's not a game, you know!

[Mouser]

I don't think you Manc's really feel threatened by LPL, but by the Christ if had your way LPL would be snuffed out. £16 million a year for back handers might do the trick.It seems expansion is good for the NorthWest when it's from Manchester.

[Mouser]

Take no notice of my last thread, it was done with me beer googles on.

[Caslance]

Ah but in vino, veritas Mouser.

You need look no further than a few postings above your own to see

Anyway, all this MAN vs LPL stuff is silly - traffic at both is expanding year on year, to the benefit of the whole North West and further afield, too.

How's the head this morning?

[Mouser]

Thanks for asking, yes it's a bit of a struggle this morning.

[MichaelDoyle]

Ryanair

Hi
Stated on the NWAN forum that in the next 4 years Ryanair might have up 16 based aircraft at LPL,but its only speculation.

http://www.xsorbit6.com/users/nwanfo...89379&start=15

Thanks
Michael

[bmibaby.com]

Is LPL/IOM the only route that Emerald's flyjem operation has? With three pax-configured ATPs you would have thought that the management team might have been able to carve out more routes, but instead they have allowed flybe to arrive and trample all over the possibility of more domestic routes from LPL. Will flyjem fight back, or do they even have any plans to expand?

I've never noticed, despite being a regular visitor to the North-West, any flyjem advertising, and I'm not even sure who their target market is? Are they a no-frills airline?

I think that EasyJet will definately defend their turf at LPL. They have rolled over & allowed baby & Ryanair to eat into their routes at EMA, but its a completely different scenario at LPL. From the looks of it, nobody really seems to be stepping on anybody;s toes, and I doubt flybe would operate some of their Med routes from LPL as this is definately EZY territory. Secondary cities in France, perhaps FR's. I don't know what will happen here ...

[lagerlout]

emerald only have two pax a/c....
16 ryanairs is getting atouch ahead of ourselves!!!

[MichaelDoyle]

Pax through 2004

Hi
Heres the passenger figures for LPL in 2004.Courtesy of dwlpl

ABERDEEN - Air Wales
2108, started November 2004

ALICANTE - easyJet
103655, 100580, +3%

AMSTERDAM - easyJet
361929, 393470, -8%

BARCELONA - easyJet
173046, 176037, -2%

BASEL - easyJet
57373, started March 2004

BELFAST INT - easyJet
551655, 563042, -2%

BERLIN Schoenfeld - easyJet
56179, started April 2004

BRUSSELS Charleroi - Ryanair
3692 stopped January 2004

BUDAPEST - Wizz Air
690, started December 2004

CARDIFF - Air Wales
1782, stopped January and restarted November 2004

COLOGNE/BONN - easyJet
41977, started June 2004

CONNAUGHT/KNOCK - Aer Arran
7434, started June 2004

CORK - JetMagic
821, stopped January 2004

DUBLIN - Ryanair, Aer Lingus
238129, 242647, -2%

GENEVA - easyJet
133390, 146003, -9%

GIRONA - Ryanair
102911, started February 2004

ISLE of MAN - EuroManx, BACX, flyJem
203774, 178692, +14%

KATOWICE - Wizz Air
2365, started December 2004

LONDON CITY - VLM
68275, started February 2004

MADRID - easyJet
93608, 90117, +4%

MALAGA - easyJet
243709, 235075, +4%

NEWCASTLE - Air Wales
45, finished January 2004

NICE - easyJet
139576, 140135, -0.4%

PALMA - easyJet
146090, 141407, +3%

PARIS CDG - easyJet
237004, 256997, -8%

WARSAW - Wizz Air
1801, started December 2004

Thanks
Michael

[Cheers Buddy]

LPL - LGW

Heard a rumour today that FLYBE are planning LPL - LGW route to commence later on this summer, can anybody shed any more light on that??