DHL rejects Belgian demand for less noisy planes (Merged)
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DHL eliminated Brussels Airport as a possible location for its intercontinental hub after "the political consensus that was needed for DHL to further grow at the airport in Belgium could not be found," the company said in a statement. It added that it will "continue its assessment of the remaining options for expansion: Leipzig and Vatry." Insiders doubted DHL's real commitment to develop Brussels, noting its German owner Deutsche Post would prefer to invest in Leipzig. DHL's plan to expand its current hub in Brussels encompassed the demand to raise the number of yearly night flights to 22,000 from the current limit of 13,000. No agreement could be reached with the different governments over the environmental impact of the increased night flights. DHL said its current business activities at Brussels will remain stable until 2008, after which it will relocate part of its activities. "This would partly affect employees of the hub and of the company airline," it noted. Other activities such as the coordination center, ground express, logistics and forwarding companies will not be affected.
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DHL eliminated Brussels Airport as a possible location for its intercontinental hub after "the political consensus that was needed for DHL to further grow at the airport in Belgium could not be found," the company said in a statement. It added that it will "continue its assessment of the remaining options for expansion: Leipzig and Vatry." Insiders doubted DHL's real commitment to develop Brussels, noting its German owner Deutsche Post would prefer to invest in Leipzig. DHL's plan to expand its current hub in Brussels encompassed the demand to raise the number of yearly night flights to 22,000 from the current limit of 13,000. No agreement could be reached with the different governments over the environmental impact of the increased night flights. DHL said its current business activities at Brussels will remain stable until 2008, after which it will relocate part of its activities. "This would partly affect employees of the hub and of the company airline," it noted. Other activities such as the coordination center, ground express, logistics and forwarding companies will not be affected.
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DHL BRUSSELS GROUND STAFF ON STRIKE
Believe the ground staff at EBBR went on strike last night!!!
Do you guys never learn!!!!!
Look what happened to Sabena
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Striking never solves anything, it will only help DHL to make its mind up to Fox trot Oscar to Eastern Germany a lot sooner
Believe the ground staff at EBBR went on strike last night!!!
Do you guys never learn!!!!!
Look what happened to Sabena
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Striking never solves anything, it will only help DHL to make its mind up to Fox trot Oscar to Eastern Germany a lot sooner
Different situation since the decision has already been made,and they now know most of them will lose their job. They already learned, otherwise you would have seen a strike three weeks ago.
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Believe the ground staff at EBBR went on strike last night!!!
I've currently got a package delayed at Brussels it's been there since wednesday and it's holding up a £140,000 sale. The last two packages I shipped took longer than the regular post!
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Avuncular,
Mr Bodson - when he was head of the employers' federation - advised the following to people looking for attractive employment:
1) get a good degree (one is enough)
2) speak as many languages as you can
3) be prepare to relocate where the employment is.
For myself I have practiced all three and I can ensure you I have never been disappointed. Not even by an expat life which has given my family and I so much satisfaction that my daughters now want to do the same.
Don't think! Go ahead!
Mr Bodson - when he was head of the employers' federation - advised the following to people looking for attractive employment:
1) get a good degree (one is enough)
2) speak as many languages as you can
3) be prepare to relocate where the employment is.
For myself I have practiced all three and I can ensure you I have never been disappointed. Not even by an expat life which has given my family and I so much satisfaction that my daughters now want to do the same.
Don't think! Go ahead!
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Of course you will use DHL again. If you are a business man you will always go for the best service/cost.
My package is still in transit after 3.5 days.
..and I know about redundancy. I've been there.
Edit: I've now checked rates for the route I use most..
UPS = 35 Euro (delivery next day before 12am)
Fedex = 41 Euro (delivery next day before 9am)
DHL = 54 Euro
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TGDXB,
You call your self a person with an interest in aviation. Reading your last posts i strongly beleive that you are just the opposite.
You would like to see DHL move to a different airport and keep other people awake. That is al fine with you as long as it is not your sleep that is disturbed. There is only one solution and that is that you relocate to another area as far away from the airport as possible. It is always the same story people rent/buy a house under the approach of an airfield and than start complaining about the noise.
I lived 8 years under the approch for runway 06-24 at Schiphol airport. And yes i agree in the beginning you wake up during the night but you get used to it and after a little while (2-3 weeks) you don't notice the aircraft coming over. And that is even in summertime with the windows open.
You call your self a person with an interest in aviation. Reading your last posts i strongly beleive that you are just the opposite.
You would like to see DHL move to a different airport and keep other people awake. That is al fine with you as long as it is not your sleep that is disturbed. There is only one solution and that is that you relocate to another area as far away from the airport as possible. It is always the same story people rent/buy a house under the approach of an airfield and than start complaining about the noise.
I lived 8 years under the approch for runway 06-24 at Schiphol airport. And yes i agree in the beginning you wake up during the night but you get used to it and after a little while (2-3 weeks) you don't notice the aircraft coming over. And that is even in summertime with the windows open.
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Flying T..., I would suggest you read all postings under this one and the BRU T.O. rwy 20 issue. You will have more understanding of my points and I have reacted to your sort of points many times. There is no interest in restarting the same argument ever and ever. I know I like aviation and that is enough to me. I have my opinion; you have yours & I do respect it. Just don't assume that because it works for you it will work for everyone. Maybe you could buy my house...
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AVENCULAR
Dont blame Deutche Post.
Look over your shoulder in Brussels at your Government.
Jeez you guys make me laugh, you need a house or appartment you look at papers or housing agents.
You go and look at your choices are you all blind folded or hard of hearing not to notice that there is a big F/O airport or motorway in the vicinity and that noise might be something to consider.
But all you guys do is moan and go on strike and make it difficult by blocking the approach roads to the airport. Surely it makes sense for DHL to truck all their parcells by road up to Cologne.
I do feel for you guys that are going to be out of work but hey drive down to Liege or Ostend to find work. I have been out of work 3 times in 5 years you have to get on your bike and look usually in another part of Europe.
Having worked at EBBR and lost my job I know what its like.
Dont blame Deutche Post.
Look over your shoulder in Brussels at your Government.
Jeez you guys make me laugh, you need a house or appartment you look at papers or housing agents.
You go and look at your choices are you all blind folded or hard of hearing not to notice that there is a big F/O airport or motorway in the vicinity and that noise might be something to consider.
But all you guys do is moan and go on strike and make it difficult by blocking the approach roads to the airport. Surely it makes sense for DHL to truck all their parcells by road up to Cologne.
I do feel for you guys that are going to be out of work but hey drive down to Liege or Ostend to find work. I have been out of work 3 times in 5 years you have to get on your bike and look usually in another part of Europe.
Having worked at EBBR and lost my job I know what its like.
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I am afraid it is a bit too easy to put the blame on one party. While I am not part of the political process I heard yesterday the prime minister explain that while it was already difficult to manage the 22,000 landings required by DHL (I thought they wanted 25,000 to 30,000) they - DHL - came back with yet another one for 400% increase of MD-11 movements. Maybe this is an indication that DHL were trying to move away anyway...
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chiglet,
do the 'treasure search' and read all the posts! You will find the answer. I'll just give you a hint - iit was well before all the serious annoyances started. Wish you a good day!
do the 'treasure search' and read all the posts! You will find the answer. I'll just give you a hint - iit was well before all the serious annoyances started. Wish you a good day!
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tgdxb
it was already difficult to manage the 22,000 landings required by DHL (I thought they wanted 25,000 to 30,000)
Maybe this is an indication that DHL were trying to move away anyway...
Jeezes and you think of yourself as an intelligent, educated person...
You just gave an argument AGAINST your claim they wanted to move anyway !!!
DHL indeed asked for 33.000 flights (which they got in both the vatry and leipzig deal)
The governement said "NO WAY" already back in July, asking DHL if they would try to make a plan with just 22.000 flts.
Now tgdxb, if you were DPWN's big boss and you already wanted to move to LEJ, wouldn't you have used that "NO WAY" answer as an excuse to initiate the move and have the public opinion on your side ???
About the MD11 issue:
It is the only longhaul freighter that can be used at BRU, with a QC <12, all other integrators/cargo operatrs(UPS, fedex, eva air, LH, etc) use these aircraft as they are allowed to operate at night...
When the government asked DHL to make the 22.000 flts plan, it gave following limitations: Aircraft had to be qc<12 and total qc 65.000/year. DHL did what was asked, but because the regions couldn't agree on this plan, they wanted DHL to use only QC<8 flights and get rid of the MD11, knowing in advance this would be impossible for DHL.
Why did the government change the rules:
Currently max 25.000 flts and a QC<12 are allowed.
As the government sticked to their max of 25.000 flts,
why didn't they stick to the QC<12 ???
I'm sure you'll sleep tight now, as you won't even think of the 1700 people who lost their jobs, due to the egoism and intollerance of a few.....
hope you feel proud about what you have accomplished !!!!!
it was already difficult to manage the 22,000 landings required by DHL (I thought they wanted 25,000 to 30,000)
Maybe this is an indication that DHL were trying to move away anyway...
Jeezes and you think of yourself as an intelligent, educated person...
You just gave an argument AGAINST your claim they wanted to move anyway !!!
DHL indeed asked for 33.000 flights (which they got in both the vatry and leipzig deal)
The governement said "NO WAY" already back in July, asking DHL if they would try to make a plan with just 22.000 flts.
Now tgdxb, if you were DPWN's big boss and you already wanted to move to LEJ, wouldn't you have used that "NO WAY" answer as an excuse to initiate the move and have the public opinion on your side ???
About the MD11 issue:
It is the only longhaul freighter that can be used at BRU, with a QC <12, all other integrators/cargo operatrs(UPS, fedex, eva air, LH, etc) use these aircraft as they are allowed to operate at night...
When the government asked DHL to make the 22.000 flts plan, it gave following limitations: Aircraft had to be qc<12 and total qc 65.000/year. DHL did what was asked, but because the regions couldn't agree on this plan, they wanted DHL to use only QC<8 flights and get rid of the MD11, knowing in advance this would be impossible for DHL.
Why did the government change the rules:
Currently max 25.000 flts and a QC<12 are allowed.
As the government sticked to their max of 25.000 flts,
why didn't they stick to the QC<12 ???
I'm sure you'll sleep tight now, as you won't even think of the 1700 people who lost their jobs, due to the egoism and intollerance of a few.....
hope you feel proud about what you have accomplished !!!!!
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Its a lot easier for DHL to start a new hub at another airport than to try to upgrade the BRU hub,this will save a lot of time and a lot of money!
For BRU to find other airlines interested to take DHL place, I wish them luck!
BRU is up for sale and i bet that the price has gone down a bit.
What i wonder is ,will DHL rereg. the OO aircraft when they leave BRU in a couple of years? more jobs to go in the BE CAA.
Neil
For BRU to find other airlines interested to take DHL place, I wish them luck!
BRU is up for sale and i bet that the price has gone down a bit.
What i wonder is ,will DHL rereg. the OO aircraft when they leave BRU in a couple of years? more jobs to go in the BE CAA.
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tdgxb
So it was you who cost me my job. A lot of us would still be flying the B727 today if it wasn't for you.
Now, we know where you live.
Come to think of of it, there are 1700 other people directly out of work as well. At least there will be some satisfaction in knowing that your real estate value will decline with the economy you have sabotaged.
I had to move on, now maybe its your turn.
So it was you who cost me my job. A lot of us would still be flying the B727 today if it wasn't for you.
Now, we know where you live.
Come to think of of it, there are 1700 other people directly out of work as well. At least there will be some satisfaction in knowing that your real estate value will decline with the economy you have sabotaged.
I had to move on, now maybe its your turn.
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All who generated a posting lately,
you are confusing your target; I am not the one who decided and I had no power to influence. I could only suffer from your ops and you didn't care at the time.
You should direct your blames to the right addressees.
And by the way you would not care either if I would have lost my job...
you are confusing your target; I am not the one who decided and I had no power to influence. I could only suffer from your ops and you didn't care at the time.
You should direct your blames to the right addressees.
And by the way you would not care either if I would have lost my job...