Greek Summer Programme From Lba
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Going Loco!
Thanks for that I've seen it now, well how about that 3 times a week to DLM things are looking up for LBA by the look of it the MON dep in the eve and rtn next morning looks to be the BY based a/c, as for the earleir one on MON looking at the timings I bet Pegasus or some Turkish airline such as OnurAir will operate that one as for the FRI one I am lead to beleive that that will remain as Pegasus,
Also looking further on that there looks to be a new destination for Greece for Summer 05 Zante or KGS I think from memory is the 3 letter, a few mor Greek destinations please.
CHEERS!!!!!!
Also looking further on that there looks to be a new destination for Greece for Summer 05 Zante or KGS I think from memory is the 3 letter, a few mor Greek destinations please.
CHEERS!!!!!!
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The Monday morning is PGT, the Monday evening is the based Britannia a/c as it has been for a couple of years, and the Friday is also Pegasus.
The new Greek destination is Zante (Going there in 16 days with FCA from... MANCHESTER grrrr), operated by Britannia.
The new Greek destination is Zante (Going there in 16 days with FCA from... MANCHESTER grrrr), operated by Britannia.
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IS BEST L/CONTROLLER THE NEW TIY???
ZANTE'S 3 LETTER CODE IS KGS!!! THINGS ARE LOOKING UP FOR LBA COS OF AN EXTRA DLM CHARTER!!! A FEW MORE GREEK DESTINATIONS PLEASE!!!
HAVE YOU READ THE LAST 3 PAGES ON THIS THREAD MATE???
ZANTE'S 3 LETTER CODE IS KGS!!! THINGS ARE LOOKING UP FOR LBA COS OF AN EXTRA DLM CHARTER!!! A FEW MORE GREEK DESTINATIONS PLEASE!!!
HAVE YOU READ THE LAST 3 PAGES ON THIS THREAD MATE???
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I'm a bit confused here.
There appears to be an extra flight to Dalaman next summer and a flight to Zante (ZTH) - is that new?
Where does Kos (KGS) come in? Is that a new destination as well? If so, things might be on the up, at least a little.
There appears to be an extra flight to Dalaman next summer and a flight to Zante (ZTH) - is that new?
Where does Kos (KGS) come in? Is that a new destination as well? If so, things might be on the up, at least a little.
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How to expand the charter market??
I have read this thread with great interest and what everyone has said makes a great deal of sense.
So the bottom line is that small airports cannot expand their charter markets without the charter airlines incuring greater costs which reduce profitability.
Perhaps what TUI Thomsonfly is doing at Coventry and soon at Doncaster is the way forward. By providing two types of services from smaller bases using equiptment that is alike and is easy to maintain. This can in tern ajust to market flutuations from LOCO to PACKAGE and vice versa.
JET2 would do well to look at such an operation and exploit a massive gap in the market. In the days of Inter European, they operated flights to LCA, PFO and TFS using 737-300 equiptment, so the JET2 fleat would not need too much ajusting to operate such flights.
It is not unreasonable to say that Leeds Bradford could sustain a full IT operation if CHANNEX/JET2 worked in partnership with a tour operator.
So come on JET2 you will sure be onto a winner!!
Leeds Bradford to:
Zakynthos
Rhodes
Heraklion
Kos
Helkadiki
Corfu
Sorrento
Paphos
Larnaca
Izmir
The list is endless, so come on and get your skates on
So the bottom line is that small airports cannot expand their charter markets without the charter airlines incuring greater costs which reduce profitability.
Perhaps what TUI Thomsonfly is doing at Coventry and soon at Doncaster is the way forward. By providing two types of services from smaller bases using equiptment that is alike and is easy to maintain. This can in tern ajust to market flutuations from LOCO to PACKAGE and vice versa.
JET2 would do well to look at such an operation and exploit a massive gap in the market. In the days of Inter European, they operated flights to LCA, PFO and TFS using 737-300 equiptment, so the JET2 fleat would not need too much ajusting to operate such flights.
It is not unreasonable to say that Leeds Bradford could sustain a full IT operation if CHANNEX/JET2 worked in partnership with a tour operator.
So come on JET2 you will sure be onto a winner!!
Leeds Bradford to:
Zakynthos
Rhodes
Heraklion
Kos
Helkadiki
Corfu
Sorrento
Paphos
Larnaca
Izmir
The list is endless, so come on and get your skates on
LBAir expansion of charter flights at airports like Leeds by current operators actually in theory should reduce costs per flight. The problem being that further expansion is more likely to happen at these smaller airports larger neighbours such as Manchester, which already have the infrastructure in terms of personnel. So reducing the costs of recruitment etc.
Although your idea about a mixed Low Cost/IT service is spot on and especially regarding Jet2 as they have a good name for themselves at Leeds and would probably do well on a service like this.
Although your idea about a mixed Low Cost/IT service is spot on and especially regarding Jet2 as they have a good name for themselves at Leeds and would probably do well on a service like this.
In the days of GO, seats were sold to tour operators, and GO flights featured in a number of brochures, mainly City Breaks. Seems like a good idea for a small loco like Jet2, but I can't see the likes of EZY and FR distorting their yield management systems to offer such a service.
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I take that as a bit of a sarcastic coment your making, also don't you dare compare me with Tommyinyork.
I'm sorry for the wrong 3 letter code I will have to be shot won't I !!!
if you read it, it said I wasn't sure of the 3 letter???
regarding the ZTH flts I must have not read it earlier if it's up.
But never mind, they say London makes you the way youuuuuu are!!
CHEERS!!!!!!
I'm sorry for the wrong 3 letter code I will have to be shot won't I !!!
if you read it, it said I wasn't sure of the 3 letter???
regarding the ZTH flts I must have not read it earlier if it's up.
But never mind, they say London makes you the way youuuuuu are!!
CHEERS!!!!!!
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This is looking really bad for next year! Airtours have pulled the following flights for Summer 2005.
Sun-LCA, Tue-TFS, Sat-FAO,Sat-PMI X1,
Charters for 2005 are going to be well down on this summer.
Sun-LCA, Tue-TFS, Sat-FAO,Sat-PMI X1,
Charters for 2005 are going to be well down on this summer.
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With the charter programme shrinking this quickly things are starting to look bad.
I hope that the people at the top are busy sending envoys around the tour operator network to try and scavenge a couple of routes for S06 or there will be an advert for a 'nearly new tent' on ebay this winter.
As both BY and MYT are basically pulling out of LBA there will be a large gap in the airport accounts soon. Low cost airlines may pull in the passengers but they don't pay much to the airports. It is the charter and full service scheduled carriers that pay the bills.
Let's hope that now the marketing department have come out of hibernation they are refreshed and ready for war.
p.s. Where is our little Jorvik based friend with his 2p's worth ???
I hope that the people at the top are busy sending envoys around the tour operator network to try and scavenge a couple of routes for S06 or there will be an advert for a 'nearly new tent' on ebay this winter.
As both BY and MYT are basically pulling out of LBA there will be a large gap in the airport accounts soon. Low cost airlines may pull in the passengers but they don't pay much to the airports. It is the charter and full service scheduled carriers that pay the bills.
Let's hope that now the marketing department have come out of hibernation they are refreshed and ready for war.
p.s. Where is our little Jorvik based friend with his 2p's worth ???
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The Saturday FAO charter was shared between Style Holidays and Direct Holidays which is part of the Airtours family! This summer the flights are operated by Air Malta! Now Direct are just offering seats on the MYT Thursday morning FAO flight.
As you say Thomson are now offering seats on the MYT to LCA...very strange!
As you say Thomson are now offering seats on the MYT to LCA...very strange!
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Stupid me! I thought you meant MyTravel Airways!
That Thomson one is strange, because according to the timings, it is operated by a based MyTravel a/c the same times as last year. Maybe a Spanair will be drafted in before then?
Have forgotten to post this, the reply I got from LBA from the email I sent them:
Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding services from Leeds Bradford
International Airport.
I would firstly like to thank you for your support of the airport and for
taking the time to get in touch with us with your comments and feedback as
this is of paramount importance to us.
We are constantly striving to improve the facilities and services at the
airport and there are many different factors that contribute to the number
of flights and destinations available. One of the major factors at the
moment that is affecting the choice and number of flights is the state of
the market and the current climate in the travel and aviation industry
where most tour operators are playing it safe. MyTravel in particular are
pulling capacity from their programme across the country and unfortunately
because of this Leeds Bradford has been effected.
With regard to Greek flights, Thomson are the number one tour operator in
Zante and therefore were not concerned about adding a flight from Leeds
Bradford for next summer as they have the confidence that they will be able
to run the route profitably. Unfortunately, Mytravel struggle with Greece
and they are not willing to take the risk of adding new destinations when
they are having to cut capacity.
To make a Greece flight work we require three out of the top four tour
operators, i.e Thomson, Mytravel, First Choice and Thomas Cook, to commit
to it and this can be a complex and lengthy project, especially in the
current climate.
We have had increases in capacity with Thomson, First Choice and Thomas
Cook over the last two years and the Marketing and Business Development
Manger at the airport, Sally Ramsey is in continuous contact with airlines
and tour operators to continue these increases.
Once again, I would like to thank you for your continued support and if you
require any further information, please do not hesitate to contact me.
That Thomson one is strange, because according to the timings, it is operated by a based MyTravel a/c the same times as last year. Maybe a Spanair will be drafted in before then?
Have forgotten to post this, the reply I got from LBA from the email I sent them:
Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding services from Leeds Bradford
International Airport.
I would firstly like to thank you for your support of the airport and for
taking the time to get in touch with us with your comments and feedback as
this is of paramount importance to us.
We are constantly striving to improve the facilities and services at the
airport and there are many different factors that contribute to the number
of flights and destinations available. One of the major factors at the
moment that is affecting the choice and number of flights is the state of
the market and the current climate in the travel and aviation industry
where most tour operators are playing it safe. MyTravel in particular are
pulling capacity from their programme across the country and unfortunately
because of this Leeds Bradford has been effected.
With regard to Greek flights, Thomson are the number one tour operator in
Zante and therefore were not concerned about adding a flight from Leeds
Bradford for next summer as they have the confidence that they will be able
to run the route profitably. Unfortunately, Mytravel struggle with Greece
and they are not willing to take the risk of adding new destinations when
they are having to cut capacity.
To make a Greece flight work we require three out of the top four tour
operators, i.e Thomson, Mytravel, First Choice and Thomas Cook, to commit
to it and this can be a complex and lengthy project, especially in the
current climate.
We have had increases in capacity with Thomson, First Choice and Thomas
Cook over the last two years and the Marketing and Business Development
Manger at the airport, Sally Ramsey is in continuous contact with airlines
and tour operators to continue these increases.
Once again, I would like to thank you for your continued support and if you
require any further information, please do not hesitate to contact me.
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The use of a 737-300 aircraft on flights to Greece would not be a burden on a large IT company. 149 passengers instead of 235 on a 757-200. Most IT companies operate A320, A321, 757, 767 aircraft, all of which would require a large camitment to LBA, however, the previously talked about use of the CHANNEX/JET2 aircraft would solve this problem.
A combination of the right sized aircraft with LBA based equiptment would make it a worthy and cost effective investment. If CHANNEX didn't want to use a JET2 aircraft to protect their product, they could just paint the aircraft in sasy TUI or First Choice logos.
With the use of say, 737-300 this would also allow for additional frequency to the most popular routes. At the same time the 737-300 aircraft allows flights to less popular destinations, knowing the flights only require 149 and not 235 passengers.
from YORKSHIRE the place to be is the city of Leeds.
A combination of the right sized aircraft with LBA based equiptment would make it a worthy and cost effective investment. If CHANNEX didn't want to use a JET2 aircraft to protect their product, they could just paint the aircraft in sasy TUI or First Choice logos.
With the use of say, 737-300 this would also allow for additional frequency to the most popular routes. At the same time the 737-300 aircraft allows flights to less popular destinations, knowing the flights only require 149 and not 235 passengers.
from YORKSHIRE
the place to be is the city of Leeds.
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LBA,
Well at least they responded to you!!! I'm still waiting for mine.I hear there was an emergency board meeting at LBA to discuss the current situation in the marketing dept. Not happy bunnies at all up in the castle
Apparently they are not happy with us ppruners who know more about whats going on at LBA than the people who are paid 20k a year to tell US about OUR local airport...after all it is council run and we all pay our rates don't we! Even after all the fun i had with the marketing dept last Thursday the website is STILL out of date or showing wrong information! Today they updated the charter site to show NO flights at all to LPA or LCA next summer! When TUI are clearly STILL selling holidays to these 2 holiday spots...thank God! I have also put full details of the Airtours Winter 04/05 programme on here, even with the flight numbers and still no change on the website...WHY? Don't you believe me? Well take a look at the Airtours website...PLEASE!
How many people live in West Yorkshire alone? 3-4 million? and you are telling us that during the course of a 26 week summer season at LBA,3848 pax (148 x 26) won't travel to Greece because Yorkshire people don't go to Greece! Well i'm from Yorkshire and in the past i have flown from MAN to Kos x3, Crete, Santorini and Athens! I flew to Rhodes many years ago with Sunseekers on a full 737...so where did all these people come from...Devon? People will travel from LBA if they know that flights to Greece operate from there! which is where marketing come in. Clearly they need a kick up the rear and i hope they are going to get one this week.I and the dozen or so other ppruners on here have shown over the last week that the current team up there are not up to the job at all.
ALL CHANGE PLEASE!
Well at least they responded to you!!! I'm still waiting for mine.I hear there was an emergency board meeting at LBA to discuss the current situation in the marketing dept. Not happy bunnies at all up in the castle
Apparently they are not happy with us ppruners who know more about whats going on at LBA than the people who are paid 20k a year to tell US about OUR local airport...after all it is council run and we all pay our rates don't we! Even after all the fun i had with the marketing dept last Thursday the website is STILL out of date or showing wrong information! Today they updated the charter site to show NO flights at all to LPA or LCA next summer! When TUI are clearly STILL selling holidays to these 2 holiday spots...thank God! I have also put full details of the Airtours Winter 04/05 programme on here, even with the flight numbers and still no change on the website...WHY? Don't you believe me? Well take a look at the Airtours website...PLEASE!How many people live in West Yorkshire alone? 3-4 million? and you are telling us that during the course of a 26 week summer season at LBA,3848 pax (148 x 26) won't travel to Greece because Yorkshire people don't go to Greece! Well i'm from Yorkshire and in the past i have flown from MAN to Kos x3, Crete, Santorini and Athens! I flew to Rhodes many years ago with Sunseekers on a full 737...so where did all these people come from...Devon? People will travel from LBA if they know that flights to Greece operate from there! which is where marketing come in. Clearly they need a kick up the rear and i hope they are going to get one this week.I and the dozen or so other ppruners on here have shown over the last week that the current team up there are not up to the job at all.
ALL CHANGE PLEASE!
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Exactly right BMI.
I have travelled with Britannia to Corfu from LBA for the last 3 years, and every flight has been jam packed full (Two on a B737-800 and one on a 757. Heck they have been using a 767 on these flights for part of the year!). I am having to trail across to MAN next Sunday to fly with First Choice to Zante.
Im really glad that Britannia are flying to ZTH next year, but that isnt much.
As LBAir said, surely if the touroperators utilised a EXS 733 to the places they thought were more risky from LBA (Such as RHO,HER,KGS), then they could try that out that out 1st, if demand exceeded capacity surely they could put one of their own A320/321/757 on the route the year after. How can they say they are no flights to LPA and LCA next summer when TUi are selling holidays there? Lets not hope they make all their pax fly from MAN nearer the time and cancel the LBA flights. If this happened it would be their own fault with absolutely no marketing and it even deleted from their own website. How are people supposed to find out about it?
I have travelled with Britannia to Corfu from LBA for the last 3 years, and every flight has been jam packed full (Two on a B737-800 and one on a 757. Heck they have been using a 767 on these flights for part of the year!). I am having to trail across to MAN next Sunday to fly with First Choice to Zante.
Im really glad that Britannia are flying to ZTH next year, but that isnt much.
As LBAir said, surely if the touroperators utilised a EXS 733 to the places they thought were more risky from LBA (Such as RHO,HER,KGS), then they could try that out that out 1st, if demand exceeded capacity surely they could put one of their own A320/321/757 on the route the year after. How can they say they are no flights to LPA and LCA next summer when TUi are selling holidays there? Lets not hope they make all their pax fly from MAN nearer the time and cancel the LBA flights. If this happened it would be their own fault with absolutely no marketing and it even deleted from their own website. How are people supposed to find out about it?