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25Minutes It was expected that the aircraft had to go into major maintenance before operations with Now but EZY was purposely obstructive in delaying the return of the aircraft and not painting them. This was calculated and the intention was to disrupt the launch of a perceived contender. There is no doubt more to the story but malice is involved and they are desperate to find out what Now is up to so they can disrupt it as much as possible.
Powerjet1 I understand the deal was too good to refuse but on hindsight the choice to take it was a bad choice. The COO admitted this recently.
I think we are lucky to be offered thechoices that we have. As previously mentioned, not many companies would do the same, especially in our industry. If the airline is as successful as forecast those that are willing could come out very well in the long run.
The lack of information on the web site is a pity but as so few people outside aviation circles are aware it is there anyway, I don't see this is a big deal. The big deal would be if people booked seats that couldn't be honoured. What better way to scare people away from the start when brand loyalty is exactly what any airline longs for. I seem to remember EZY had a particularly bad name when it started for cancelling flights at the last minute and leaving passengers stranded. I just hope that when seats do go on sale, everyone knows about it and the deals are such that people fly with us to experience the difference.
As for the difference, service is the key. Now is not going to be cheap but value for money. The fares will be low but you won't feel like that when using the product. There will be a representative at all destinations to answer any questions and to deal with any problems that may arise. This means that information will flow about any delays or changes that the customer is interested and should something not be right (baggage not showing up/not even allocated a belt as happens regularly to EZY) there will be someone there to put a shiny shoe up someones elses behind and make it happen. On board, presentation is important with smart and classy interiors with leather seats, modern colour schemes and professional looking crew (they don't just look the part either). None of the jeans and t-shirt brigade. Quality food and beverage will be served with a smile. This is what EZY are scared of IMHO as the planned routes of Now do not clash with those of EZY.
Maybe one of our journo friends should write a story highlighting the similarities concerning Now being belittled by an established airline that considers itself to be a competitior when in realism this is not the case.
Powerjet1 I understand the deal was too good to refuse but on hindsight the choice to take it was a bad choice. The COO admitted this recently.
I think we are lucky to be offered thechoices that we have. As previously mentioned, not many companies would do the same, especially in our industry. If the airline is as successful as forecast those that are willing could come out very well in the long run.
The lack of information on the web site is a pity but as so few people outside aviation circles are aware it is there anyway, I don't see this is a big deal. The big deal would be if people booked seats that couldn't be honoured. What better way to scare people away from the start when brand loyalty is exactly what any airline longs for. I seem to remember EZY had a particularly bad name when it started for cancelling flights at the last minute and leaving passengers stranded. I just hope that when seats do go on sale, everyone knows about it and the deals are such that people fly with us to experience the difference.
As for the difference, service is the key. Now is not going to be cheap but value for money. The fares will be low but you won't feel like that when using the product. There will be a representative at all destinations to answer any questions and to deal with any problems that may arise. This means that information will flow about any delays or changes that the customer is interested and should something not be right (baggage not showing up/not even allocated a belt as happens regularly to EZY) there will be someone there to put a shiny shoe up someones elses behind and make it happen. On board, presentation is important with smart and classy interiors with leather seats, modern colour schemes and professional looking crew (they don't just look the part either). None of the jeans and t-shirt brigade. Quality food and beverage will be served with a smile. This is what EZY are scared of IMHO as the planned routes of Now do not clash with those of EZY.
Maybe one of our journo friends should write a story highlighting the similarities concerning Now being belittled by an established airline that considers itself to be a competitior when in realism this is not the case.
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Well, it certainly has gone quiet on here. Anyway, hopefully now the dust has settled we will get a nice input of opinions here, and learn other's ideas on the subject...
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..except mine, of course, Flymate.
So here's a question for you, and your "contract". Can You afford to wait until February? Do you feel NOW have been absolutely honest with you by offering a contract and then delaying it? Has your confidence in NOW's senior management team ( nice people as they may be) been dented by their inability to meet their "promises" to their staff.
Your comments are invited.
So here's a question for you, and your "contract". Can You afford to wait until February? Do you feel NOW have been absolutely honest with you by offering a contract and then delaying it? Has your confidence in NOW's senior management team ( nice people as they may be) been dented by their inability to meet their "promises" to their staff.
Your comments are invited.
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NOW NOW jmc-man - why are you so willing to stick the knife in to NOW because if you are as well informed as you say you are you must know that your last post is misleading.
So who exactly has to wait till February?????
From our briefing last week yep its true the aircraft are late from the hangar and SOME training is being delayed as a result but not all. Whilst many airlines would have then turned round and said to the crews that their start dates were delayed the managers at NOW haven't done that - they've made it quite clear that any one with a committed start date already can join on that date on full pay even if there training is delayed a bit.
Didn't you know that or were you deliberatly trying to cause problems for them and why would you when they've actually done the decent thing - perhaps your assumption was based on what would have gone on in your own company.
Seems that NOW are already keeping there committment to be different to others
So who exactly has to wait till February?????
From our briefing last week yep its true the aircraft are late from the hangar and SOME training is being delayed as a result but not all. Whilst many airlines would have then turned round and said to the crews that their start dates were delayed the managers at NOW haven't done that - they've made it quite clear that any one with a committed start date already can join on that date on full pay even if there training is delayed a bit.
Didn't you know that or were you deliberatly trying to cause problems for them and why would you when they've actually done the decent thing - perhaps your assumption was based on what would have gone on in your own company.
Seems that NOW are already keeping there committment to be different to others
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Certainly being different...can't argue with that. Most if not all other start up airlines make committments to a start date...and keep them.
Exceptions being...lets have a look....FreshAer.....Blue Fox....Mama Air....to name a few.
Ok, so Saltrock...are you telling us that no-one who had a contract to start with NOW has had their contract start date deferred against their wishes...and that everyone currently working for NOW has been on salary since their contract start date.
I don't want to mention names here, so feel free to answer the above question carefully.
As regards Share Options, well thats a case of " Jam Tomorrow". It doesn't put food on the table.
Remember the important word CREDIBILITY
Exceptions being...lets have a look....FreshAer.....Blue Fox....Mama Air....to name a few.
Ok, so Saltrock...are you telling us that no-one who had a contract to start with NOW has had their contract start date deferred against their wishes...and that everyone currently working for NOW has been on salary since their contract start date.
I don't want to mention names here, so feel free to answer the above question carefully.
As regards Share Options, well thats a case of " Jam Tomorrow". It doesn't put food on the table.
Remember the important word CREDIBILITY
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Yep I don't know of any pilot that has had his start deferred against his wishes and the boss went out of his way to state that everyone could join when they'd planned to do so if THEY wished. The people I met were all upbeat.
So who has been told that they have to wait till February????
Why are you so keen to put the knife in to NOW - the company seems to be doing the honest thing (a rare commodity in our industry). Throughout the whole saga of NOW jmc-man you've appeared to have an axe to grind yet you won't tell any one what it is
So who has been told that they have to wait till February????
Why are you so keen to put the knife in to NOW - the company seems to be doing the honest thing (a rare commodity in our industry). Throughout the whole saga of NOW jmc-man you've appeared to have an axe to grind yet you won't tell any one what it is
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Err...Saltrock...who mentionmed the word pilots? I believe FLYMATE is Cabin crew, unless I misunderstood an earlier post.
I have no axe to grind. I just feel I'm balancing the unbridled enthusiasm of recent NOW converts with an occasional dose of harsh reality.
I would just remind you that this thread had (happily or otherwise) moved to page 2, before Flymate dragged it back up again, looking for
He asked for opinions and ideas...he got them.
I have no axe to grind. I just feel I'm balancing the unbridled enthusiasm of recent NOW converts with an occasional dose of harsh reality.
I would just remind you that this thread had (happily or otherwise) moved to page 2, before Flymate dragged it back up again, looking for
a nice input of opinions here, and learn other's ideas on the subject...
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jmc-man, I am not going to tell you of my decisions. Why should I. My decision is between myself and the management. I can say here that I am in the position to defer to February. Whether I am cabin crew, pilot, ops staff or whatever is neither here or there. You seem to want to know everything about me and the internal movements of NOW. If you had wanted to be "in the know" you should have joined NOW.
I personally think your negative comments are due to you having been turned down by them for employment. But there again that is my formed view by the cynical comments you make. You mention in the same breath Mama Air, Fresh Air, Blue Fox, don't even think NOW falls into that category, NOW WILL happen, we just have to wait for the incompetent fools who don't know how to return an aircraft back to the leasing company to get their act together and return them back in a satisfactory condition. God knows that easyJet have done to the poor ex GO aircraft to make them take so long to be returned.
You always seem to have a dig at me, this is not the forum for that. As I stated when I started the thread, I invited constructive comments, not comments like yours that simply have no justification on the facts. Many of your facts are wrong. So unless you have FACTS, please refrain from speculating.
I personally think your negative comments are due to you having been turned down by them for employment. But there again that is my formed view by the cynical comments you make. You mention in the same breath Mama Air, Fresh Air, Blue Fox, don't even think NOW falls into that category, NOW WILL happen, we just have to wait for the incompetent fools who don't know how to return an aircraft back to the leasing company to get their act together and return them back in a satisfactory condition. God knows that easyJet have done to the poor ex GO aircraft to make them take so long to be returned.
You always seem to have a dig at me, this is not the forum for that. As I stated when I started the thread, I invited constructive comments, not comments like yours that simply have no justification on the facts. Many of your facts are wrong. So unless you have FACTS, please refrain from speculating.
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I dont think jmc man is far from the truth. What he says, you do not like because it affects you.
jmc man has been spot on about everything thus far. YOu have a contract that is at best flimsy paper with no substance. You say NOW will happen, I hope it does...but even you with your blinkers on must admit that it does not look good does it?
I dont think jmc man is far from the truth. What he says, you do not like because it affects you.
jmc man has been spot on about everything thus far. YOu have a contract that is at best flimsy paper with no substance. You say NOW will happen, I hope it does...but even you with your blinkers on must admit that it does not look good does it?
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Flymate, grow up. I never had a dig at you. You asked for comments and opinions, you didn't specify that you only wanted comments that agreed with your view point.
Shall we just review a couple of FACTS then, as of today.....
NOW has no AOC
NOW has no reservation system
NOW has no passengers
NOW has no aircraft
NOW promised to start last July
These are all FACTS. It is therefore in exactly the same position that the three operations I mentioned above were in.
NOW may be on the track for an AOC. It may even have plans for a reservation system...it certainly has no aircraft confirmed , hence the reason why the lease company is still offering them.
FLymate, I didn't ask you what you were doing with your contract, I don't care to be honest. I just wanted to get confirmation that NO-ONE who was due to start with NOW, in ANY capacity , has had theire start date DEFERRED AGAINST THEIR WISHES !.
It seemed like a straight forward question, and one which will reflect the true state of play within NOW.
Somehow, I don't expect to get a straight answer.
Shall we just review a couple of FACTS then, as of today.....
NOW has no AOC
NOW has no reservation system
NOW has no passengers
NOW has no aircraft
NOW promised to start last July
These are all FACTS. It is therefore in exactly the same position that the three operations I mentioned above were in.
NOW may be on the track for an AOC. It may even have plans for a reservation system...it certainly has no aircraft confirmed , hence the reason why the lease company is still offering them.
FLymate, I didn't ask you what you were doing with your contract, I don't care to be honest. I just wanted to get confirmation that NO-ONE who was due to start with NOW, in ANY capacity , has had theire start date DEFERRED AGAINST THEIR WISHES !.
It seemed like a straight forward question, and one which will reflect the true state of play within NOW.
Somehow, I don't expect to get a straight answer.
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I am so glad you all know so much about Now and how great they, being a meer employee you all seem to know much more than I/We do. Please post more info it would be such a help to US
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Thunor, yes, I am still happy with what is being told to me, as I feel I am not being lied to and the intentions of making certain decisions are in all our interest. So why the silly questions? Can we keep it sensible or not at all. I am glad though that jmc-man now acknowledges that I have a contract, something he "knew for a FACT" that I didn't have....
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Decided to lease some shoddy airframes that need a lot of TLC so cannot launch in time for Christmas! HaHaHaHaHa! Another festive joke surely?
I hope the above really is not true, for if the rumours written here are correct, then who are those involved with making such a huge and crass leasing decision? Well they must be fools?
My understanding is that a certain orange airline will have an additional 3 airframes based at Luton, probably prior to Now making tickets available to the public (And Bear's)!
Now must have some pretty huge pockets to borrow from during the interim period!
Ciao-Fly for now!
I hope the above really is not true, for if the rumours written here are correct, then who are those involved with making such a huge and crass leasing decision? Well they must be fools?
My understanding is that a certain orange airline will have an additional 3 airframes based at Luton, probably prior to Now making tickets available to the public (And Bear's)!
Now must have some pretty huge pockets to borrow from during the interim period!
Ciao-Fly for now!
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quote...
"NOW has no AOC
NOW has no reservation system
NOW has no passengers
NOW has no aircraft"
unquote...
...actually, the AOC is about to be awarded, NOW does have a reservation system it's just that joe public and the likes of jmc-man don't have access to it, once active, there will be passengers, and NOW do have aircraft lined up.
p.s. page 6 !!!
"NOW has no AOC
NOW has no reservation system
NOW has no passengers
NOW has no aircraft"
unquote...
...actually, the AOC is about to be awarded, NOW does have a reservation system it's just that joe public and the likes of jmc-man don't have access to it, once active, there will be passengers, and NOW do have aircraft lined up.
p.s. page 6 !!!
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You see, thats the rub, Bacardi Walla....
"...about to be awarded"
"Joe Public don't have access"
" there WILL be passengers"
"aircraft lined up"
Lots of talk....nothing tangible (look up the definition if you're not sure).
And in the meantime, a lot of enthusiastic people getting the run around.
Says it all really.
"...about to be awarded"
"Joe Public don't have access"
" there WILL be passengers"
"aircraft lined up"
Lots of talk....nothing tangible (look up the definition if you're not sure).
And in the meantime, a lot of enthusiastic people getting the run around.
Says it all really.
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jmc-man a sad individual by the sounds of it, reading your previous threads tells me you get a kick out of slagging things down. The reason there is no AOC is because the CAA won't issue it until they have the a/c, and that's the only reason. The reason they don't have the a/c is, well, we all know that by now. The reason they can't sell tickets is because of no AOC. Why don't you do all on here a favour. Wind your neck in and just sit back and wait, or do you not have anything else do with your life except run people and companies down.
By the way, I'm not an insider. I just figure things out myself from those who are
By the way, I'm not an insider. I just figure things out myself from those who are
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Bacardi,
All I do is react to the unbridled, enthusiastic shouting that NOW is/will be the greatest thing since sliced bread.
So far they havn't demonstrated that they are up the job.
We'll wait and see ( as, it would appear, will most of the staff)
All I do is react to the unbridled, enthusiastic shouting that NOW is/will be the greatest thing since sliced bread.
So far they havn't demonstrated that they are up the job.
We'll wait and see ( as, it would appear, will most of the staff)
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QUOTE All I do is react to the unbridled, enthusiastic shouting that NOW is/will be the greatest thing since sliced bread!!!!!
Who exactly has been shouting that then or is that as difficult to answer as a question I've asked you twice with no response namely 'who has had there start date forcibly delayed to Feb?'
You claim that all you're doing is bringing balance but that is not the case - your view which you're entitled to express is put forward with a passion which indicates that there is more to it.
You protest when people criticise you and I'm pretty sure that on the previous thread you said soemthing like ' don't attack me' yet you on more than one occasion have been unkind in your comments about the management team at NOW (without any provocation from what I can see). So why do do attack them? What have they done to you?
So what is your case?
Why spread untrue muck on this forum which can only be to unsettle folks about NOW.
WHY?
QUOTE All I do is react to the unbridled, enthusiastic shouting that NOW is/will be the greatest thing since sliced bread!!!!!
Who exactly has been shouting that then or is that as difficult to answer as a question I've asked you twice with no response namely 'who has had there start date forcibly delayed to Feb?'
You claim that all you're doing is bringing balance but that is not the case - your view which you're entitled to express is put forward with a passion which indicates that there is more to it.
You protest when people criticise you and I'm pretty sure that on the previous thread you said soemthing like ' don't attack me' yet you on more than one occasion have been unkind in your comments about the management team at NOW (without any provocation from what I can see). So why do do attack them? What have they done to you?
So what is your case?
Why spread untrue muck on this forum which can only be to unsettle folks about NOW.
WHY?