Navy P8 overrun into water - Hawaii 20 Nov 23
I looked at a one or two online charts, not a Jepp. Don’t think runway is grooved.
Runway 22 elevation 23.0 Runway 4 elevation 12.0 feet. No precision makings on RWY4.
Terrain east likely the issue.
Runway 22 elevation 23.0 Runway 4 elevation 12.0 feet. No precision makings on RWY4.
Terrain east likely the issue.
Originally Posted by EDLB
Wind from 070 14kn gusting 21kn and they landed on runway 22. Or did I miss something?
Back in the day, if you wore Navy Wings Of Gold you were carrier qualified even if you might be currently flying a transport, anti-submarine, patrol, or other non carrier aircraft. At least you know something about landing.
But not anymore. I don't have any direct knowledge, but I would bet this P-8 pilot was not a typical carrier qualified Naval Aviator because these days it's cheaper to eliminate that phase of flight training from some groups..
Shame on the Navy for not teaching all their Aviators how to land.
But not anymore. I don't have any direct knowledge, but I would bet this P-8 pilot was not a typical carrier qualified Naval Aviator because these days it's cheaper to eliminate that phase of flight training from some groups..
Shame on the Navy for not teaching all their Aviators how to land.
I suspect our intrepid P-8 pilots in this accident fell prey to many of the same errors suffered during the 2019 NAS Jax 737 overrun.
I’m not aware that the USN every sent all of its aviators through carrier qualification
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Back in the day, if you wore Navy Wings Of Gold you were carrier qualified even if you might be currently flying a transport, anti-submarine, patrol, or other non carrier aircraft. At least you know something about landing.
But not anymore. I don't have any direct knowledge, but I would bet this P-8 pilot was not a typical carrier qualified Naval Aviator because these days it's cheaper to eliminate that phase of flight training from some groups..
Shame on the Navy for not teaching all their Aviators how to land.
But not anymore. I don't have any direct knowledge, but I would bet this P-8 pilot was not a typical carrier qualified Naval Aviator because these days it's cheaper to eliminate that phase of flight training from some groups..
Shame on the Navy for not teaching all their Aviators how to land.
Aviators the world over and every day manage safe landings, on runways, in a massive range of aeroplanes and conditions, safely, without having at any point being taught how to land on an aircraft carrier. Whatever went wrong here, and ultimately we have no idea about the details yet - I'm willing to bet that it wouldn't have been solved by this multi-engine transport aeroplane pilot knowing, or not knowing, how to land a fighter on a ship.
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Isnt this just another case of a 737-8 running out of runway in the wet with a tailwind. They seem to do it regularly but there are a lot of them so that probably raises the profile
Back in the day, if you wore Navy Wings Of Gold you were carrier qualified even if you might be currently flying a transport, anti-submarine, patrol, or other non carrier aircraft. At least you know something about landing.
But not anymore. I don't have any direct knowledge, but I would bet this P-8 pilot was not a typical carrier qualified Naval Aviator because these days it's cheaper to eliminate that phase of flight training from some groups..
Shame on the Navy for not teaching all their Aviators how to land.
But not anymore. I don't have any direct knowledge, but I would bet this P-8 pilot was not a typical carrier qualified Naval Aviator because these days it's cheaper to eliminate that phase of flight training from some groups..
Shame on the Navy for not teaching all their Aviators how to land.
Pilots all over the world who have never been near a boat land into the wind and stay on the runway most days, this is not a skill unique to carrier ops.
Regarding the urgency to complete the mission by sticking the landing at PHNG in adverse conditions (low viz, tail wind, contaminated runway), just around the corner from PHNG is PHNL with long runways, lots of IAP options, and full military aircraft support at Hickam.
Yes, no room for ifr approach due to terrain. Monday was a rainy trade wind day.
Ironically two airports about a dozen miles away would have worked well. One of them a former base for the P-3 which was the previous sub hunter.
Ironically two airports about a dozen miles away would have worked well. One of them a former base for the P-3 which was the previous sub hunter.
You are correct, and it seems only the 737-800 that has this overrun record, not any of the other 737 models. Someone can add up the number of runway overruns they have had in the last say 20 years, and compare that with the A320 over the same period. Because it's not just that there are lots of them, there are lots of other types as well.
You are correct, and it seems only the 737-800 that has this overrun record, not any of the other 737 models. Someone can add up the number of runway overruns they have had in the last say 20 years, and compare that with the A320 over the same period. Because it's not just that there are lots of them, there are lots of other types as well.
Hummmm....a lil bit suspicious indeed...
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